I wasn’t in the 94%. Were You?

I’m going to skip the introductions and make this a very quick post. I have been discussing for YEARS that black women should take white women and their public beliefs with a grain of salt. I have said FOR YEARS that the majority of white women(and people of color) will NOT sacrifice themselves at the altar for black women and when it came down to it will ALWAYS side with the privilege that the already have.

I believe after the exit polls of this election I can now take down every post on this blog because this one encapsulates everything I’ve been advocating for since I came on the scene in 2011. But since all the “perpetually surprised” black women continue to lap up *anything* liberal white women say I’ll reiterate.

White women NEED both gender and racial privilege to be equal to white MEN.

White women already *have* racial privilege and they ain’t about to sacrifice that.

For those of you *shocked* that white women have (as repeated time and time again throughout history) betrayed you. I have nothing to tell you. Unfortunately you put your trust and faith *lol* into the fact that white women wouldn’t support a racist creep. At the end of the day, as I’ve said enumerable times, white women will ALWAYS make sure their privilege is in check. To do otherwise would make us all equal and white women don’t want that. They want to be elevated to where white men are in terms of privilege. The same goes for black MEN.

Unfortunately the “special snowflakes” and “Marie Antoinettes” are now left with empty pockets because they didn’t plan to be betrayed by a group of women who have largely used them as a body count through history. (And this most recent case it was a spectacular display of more than 90 percent of black women voting for HRC). Meanwhile black women got screwed because at the end of the day WW will always choose themselves.

I won’t say much more than I’ve said now. I won’t talk about how 13 percent of Black male voters voted for Trump. (Not surprised considering how black men love to side with misogyny.) I won’t go into depth about how 33 percent of Latino men and 26 percent of Latina women voted for Trump.

race and gender

  clinton trump other/no answer
white men

34%

31% 63% 6%
white women

37%

43% 53% 4%
black men

5%

80% 13% 7%
black women

7%

94% 4% 2%
latino men

5%

62% 33% 5%
latino women

6%

68% 26% 6%
others

6%

61% 32% 7%

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I won’t talk much on them because I want to focus exclusively on the 94% percent. I want to talk about the fact that even though black women were promised nothing by the Clinton campaign or any of the other groups they continually stand in cahoots with, they uniformly voted one way only to have literally everyone else scramble for themselves. This election should be a lesson for black women.

Do for self. Worry about yourself. Protect yourself. Because at the end of the day the only people sacrificing themselves, the only people in the 94% are black women.

I will tell you that if you don’t wake up now you never will. This should be the line in the sand black women need to STOP aligning themselves with parties that *always* toss them away when a better deal comes along or someone threatens their privilege. And for those who weren’t in the 94% I’d advise you to think about the people you align yourselves with too. Because this poll clearly shows that Black Women’s mass choices are going to get you in trouble by association.

Black women better grasp on to those escape plans sooner rather than later.

Ideology and kumbayas can only take you so far….

Never Forget,

Stay Neutral and Stay Safe.

One Less Soldier

Oh please read this recent post by Muslim Bushido.

http://muslimbushido.blogspot.com/2016/11/dystopia-now-part-9-black-womenstand.html

 

PS

There have been a number of BWE centered posts on this election that have been written. Please feel free to post these below. I would but I don’t have time with everything that is going on.

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346 thoughts on “I wasn’t in the 94%. Were You?

  1. I believe in the saying: “Expect the best, but prepare for the worst.” So, yeah – I’m prepared and ready for the BS that is going to unfold when the president-elect takes office in January. But d*mn, I did not expect so many white women to vote for Trump, especially older white professional women (married or not) who went through some real sh*t back in the 70s/80s. I thought for sure that they would want to see a woman president before they passed.

    RIP – Gwen Ifill 😦

    • Yes, I was sad to hear of her passing. One thing that made it even worse was one article where it mentioned that she was unmarried and had no children (actually, all the write-ups I saw of her passing mentioned that). I just assumed it was her own personal choice, until I saw the following portion:

      Ifill never married not had any children. When asked about in 2008, she still seemed hopeful.
      ‘I don’t know why I’m not married,’ she told TIME. ‘I just know I will be, so I don’t sweat it.’
      Sadly she never got the chance to fulfill that wish. She died on Monday – just two days before she was scheduled to receive a prestigious award, the John Chancellor Award, at a Columbia University ceremony, reports.

      I wonder what her mindset was when she was in her younger years, whether she was on the NBABM train, and that IBM, never came to fruition. I just found it a bit sad. Let this be a lesson to any of the younger BW in the audience, particularly the lurkers (as I’d assume that those who actively participate in these discussions have already woken the heck up). Don’t ever let anyone convince you to pass up a possible relationship with a good, high value, quality and loving man because he is non-black, because you just might be trading your chance at happiness and security for some false image in your head that was sold to you!

      • With all due respect Jaili, and I say this to you because I respect you and the very informative comments you post, can we not talk about Gwen in that way just yet. Her body is still warm.

        Even without a husband and children, she was an amazing and accomplished Blk lady. Right now, let us remember her for her accomplishments.

        • I agree completely, apologies to anyone who was upset by my comments. Looking back now, it certainly wasn’t the time or place. I was just so saddened when I heard of her passing, especially as it was such a shock seeing as she had kept her illness private. It was in reading up a bit more on her life and legacy that I came across that article, and it just upset me further, and in that instance, I let that cloud out all the other great accomplishments I had come to admire her for. My mistake.

          Once again, apologies to all.

        • No problem Jailiimaster. Thank you for apologizing. You are such an awesome lady 🙂

          I think there are so many things to learn for Gwen’s life. Two things about her that were always apparent is one Gwen was always a lady and two she practiced stealth. At her level, of course she knew everybody’s dirt but she managed to never get caught up in other people’s mess.

          I’ve never heard any of her fellow journalists say anything bad or indifferent about her. They all seemed to respect her and her accomplishments on both sides of the political spectrum.

          Personally I’ve always loved her voice. Gwen had such a pleasant sounding voice.

          She was one of three high ranking darker-skinned blk lady journalists.

      • I too like Gwen; what a professional she was. She probably was a NBABM type of woman; she was old enough to have come from that type of generation. Gwen may have had her share of non-bm wanting to date her. Like Oprah she put too much of herself into her work. They both probably thought they had more time. At least Oprah has her S. African school girls too bad there isn’t a mixture of AA school girls.

  2. I knew black women would vote for HRC in droves and I’m not surprised that all the other (lemme get some tissue out before I cry) 😢 marginalized groups as well as black men would vote at a lower level and for Trump. Black men are like white women. They look at their survival, no one else’s. Black women are born, raised and fed a steady diet of propaganda that it is our job to save everyone and find space and time to include ourselves. Lots if folks angry at Omerosa, they were angry at Condi Rice back in the day..but did it ever occur to anyone that women like them seem to find opportunity and protection in those circles, while loyal staunchly democratic women like Loretta Lynch, get dragged for speaking to former Pres. Clinton on the tarmac during an investigation of his wife, Mrs. O got dragged for being a beautiful, accomplished black woman, wife and mother and heaven forbid, exposing those beautifully toned arms and smooth skin….gasp!!!! Oprah, got dragged for saying, she’s “hopeful” regarding the election, Donna Brazil got publically dragged for providing debate questions to Clinton? No one dragged HRC for taking and using the debate questions..if anything, Brazil may have been following orders or chose to fall on the sword.

    I read a comment on a blog and a white woman was enraged about Oprahs comment this past week about the election outcome and felt that oprah didn’t do enough to get HRC elected..Oprah voted for her and did fundraisers..umkay.but.and.ok. Did this same white woman care that Jill Biden was a no-show on the campaign? Jill was smart, she stayed away, she put herself first, let her husband do the hauling for HRC. Bill Clinton even hauled water..even though every five minutes he’d say something to sabatoge her..lol!

    Huma got dragged for her husbands perversion. Black women and one woman of color got dragged more than any other women around this election, mainly by democrats, however we turned up and turned out at 94%, clapped, sang, fiercely defended, went to church?.etc.. Black men and Van Jones, complaining about racism, the police, criminal justice..etc..and they voted for him at 13%. However the black talking pundits are fighting for their racial career lives, since discussions around race are their bread and butter..that’s what they are really upset about..they will be phased out. They knew HRC winning would set their careers and help futher black men specifically for the next 8years in America.

    I don’t feel a bit bad for not voting for her and will be changing my party affiliation shortly. Black women were not going to get anything out of her win.

    On Neecys blog, a commenter “SP” stated why she did not want Michelle Obama to run and I totally agree. The “marginalized groups” with their money and super PACS, are looking for a sacrificial lamb. The racist memes of Mrs. Obama for 8 long years did not energize black men or the “marginalized groups” to come out strongly and defend, condemn and punish those that dismissed and dimished the First Lady in every which way they could, however they want her to run for president…Kamala Harris just won a senate seat, and the whispering about her running for president has begun to…black women do not, nor have we ever had the luxury of choosing our gender over race..race has been hung over our heads like a rain cloud. We’ve never been able to fully embrace our womanhood/femininity because the black community/black men did not want the attention off of them and their problems, they needed a larger army, not enough black men willing to do any work so they turn girls and women into black men in a girl or woman’s body, and they sold propaganda to the black community and outside of the black community that black women are just black and disposable and non black women, are women.

    So many black male celebrities were sticking their collective necks out for HRC.. don’t think I’ve ever seen so many feminist black men before come out, show up for any black woman..including our First Lady.

    OLS, thank you for your blog, all your thoughtful perspective and hard work in trying to undo over a hundred years of propaganda..I do believe you’ve probably reached more women than you know. ❤️

    I hope we get our collective bucket of popcorn, rest our feet, have a seat and watch the nonsense protests unfold on t.v. Do not participate..black women have more than done our part for the last 350-400 years. The only major outstanding bill we have is not being supportive/advocating enough of our girls, young women and each other. We definitely have reciepts for this and the rest.

    • Hi Formavitae! Black women are certainly free to make their own choices in voting and life, and I hope they will realize that now, even if no one else in the world does!

      I actually had a few “Old Hollywood” movie questions/observations for you, but don’t want to add any tangential comments to OLS’s thread. Do you have an email/blog associated with your handle that I could contact you through? The link currently says ‘deleted’. Mine is my username {at} post {dot} com.

      • Hi, poweredbyjoy!

        I would be HAPPY to communicate with you! I will attempt to send you an email with “Old Hollywood” in the subject line. I will send it after I submit this post. Let me know if you do not receive it.

    • Formative, Amen! Me too. If they want to refer to my vote as a protest vote, so be it..however I never expected black women to get anything out of HRC winning or the Democratic Party for that matter anymore. If black women in America are fearful in 2016 after 8years of having an AA Pres, then what has the Democratic Party been doing for the last 30 years that we are still in this position? If it hasn’t been fixed in 30 years, it’s broke, time to move on…

      If we think the image of black women has suffered so far, just think of what we would have been relegated to if she had won. I don’t think I’m imagining things when I say that when Mrs. O came on the scene, there was so much angst, jealousy and resentment that the forces have been working against us ever since. Black women have all but disappeared in movies, can’t count the number of commercials and movies where the interracial couples shown are always a ww/bm combos even though wm/aw couplings are the largest… and the fear of showing a beautiful and feminine black woman went away completely in the 90’s..been gone ever since. As far as racism and mysoginy..black women need not look outside of their own community to find black men hating on black women worse than anyone outside of the black community..the mysoginy hurled at black women and girls optically is much worse for us than other women..there is no pedestal for us..there is no balance, meaning there are no black men that put other men in their place if they step out of line.

      All the hand-ringing from all the protests are from the other marginalized groups, that quietly stood behind the scenes and used the faces of black women and men to push their agenda to make it appear we are the poster child for many of the social issues up for sale, negotiation or the landfill.

      • HIGH FIVE, Sheri!

        I had moments of “reservation “, but I’m GLAD I FOLLOWED THROUGH!

        I’M “OVER” people thinking they “OWN” the black vote, black people, black minds, black voices, and black bodies. I’m “OVER” people ASSUMING they know what BW think, feel, want, will do.

        “YOU.DON’T.KNOW.ME…OKAY?”

        I’m ALSO “OVER” the innocent blacks being killed, black males being EMBOLDENED to commit HEINOUS CRIMES against the community and their own families, blacks destroying neighborhoods, businesses,etc., over “RANDOM THUGS” and “hooligans”. I’m tired of cops and innocent people BEING SHOT when they do something as simple as pull over to help a motorist who seems to be in need. I’m tired of IT ALL.

        I won’t even mention the “assault” on Christianity and Christian values.

        FURTHERMORE, I find it “HYPOCRITICAL” to complain about your source of food, clothing, shelter, and protection and NOT LEAVE. We’ve been watching a lot of these “ENTITLED CRYBABIES” (and, I’m not talking about the poor) who CAN’T HANDLE the results of the election, which they were PREVIOUSLY lecturing about the importance of accepting/respecting. What happened to “When they go low, we go HIGH?” I’ve seen calls for Trump’s assassination, Melania’s rape, fires, and destruction of OTHER people’s property (O.P.P.–lol).

        I’m tired of AAs, particularly AA WOMEN, being used by: the Democrats, other POC, the LGBT…EFG…XYZ, illegals, foreign blacks, BM, feminists, ETC. TOO many of these (is often RACIST) POC come to the U.S. intending/trying to use AAs as a “FOOTSTOOL” to elevate themselves economically and socially in this society. TOO many of them have been EAGER to “put their foot ON OUR NECKS” in an effort to feel “WHITE TOO”. As I said on Khadija’s blog,

        “NOT TODAY. And, not with MY vote!”

        • Formative, YES! To everything you said! You know I was done awhile ago for various reasons with the idea of voting for HRC..I thought I might waver, however no matter all the garbage from both campaigns, I still had this voice asking me which one would black women benefit from the most? I was also paying attention to who she was promoting on stage with her and the “hot sauce in my purse” and the media referring to blacks in the South specifically during the primaries as “her firewall” gurl, I was done and done-in!! When I couldn’t get anymore done, I knew I was definitely done when the President spoke specifically to blacks at a rally when everyone in the media began ringing the alarm that the slaves on the plantation weren’t pickin as much cotton as we were supposed to, lol! The President saying we (black folks) need to “get to the polls.” .AND…if he had any idea the election would turn out the way it did, would he have called out the 53% white women, blasted black men specifically and left black women out of his speech because we were on track for 94%, Latina women, members of the LGBT community, many of which voted for Trump? Interesting how they miraculously did not include lgbt as a voting block in the stats when a good deal of the agenda was about them for a good part of his second term.

          I was reading all the anger, borderline racism and flat out racism from many of these “marginalized groups” towards blacks after his ‘black folks need to get to the polls vote’ speech on various news websites because the sky is.was.and.always.shall be.falling, if we blacks don’t carry the water, pick the cotton and save their marginalized selves, oops, I meant save ourselves as black people from DOOM!

          Then the smoke clears the day after the election happens and what had happened to all the “marginalized groups” anger towards ‘self’ after the elections and stats on who voted? Instead, they protest and are still trying to drag blacks into that ring of fire!

        • “I seen people call for Melania’s rape”

          That’s disgusting, you want to rape her because you hate her husband.

          I thought we dems were about respecting women vs most of the other parties.

        • Sheri,

          I saw a photo of Bill Clinton in a black barbershop, smiling, while pretending to cut a patron’s hair.

          I was like, “REALLY!?!”

          You can see it HERE:

          http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/fn2zgDdj-Fy/Bill+Clinton+Campaigns+Hillary+Clinton+Las/Bill+Clinton

          The fact that they think THIS and HOT SAUCE will “endear” them to black voters shows you that THEY DO really believe we are “SIMPLETONS”.

          FURTHERMORE, I’ve read that Bill told another politician that Barack “would have been carrying their bags a few years before”, and I BELIEVE IT. NEVERTHELESS, Barack and Michelle pushed for the Clintons and the trans more than they pushed FOR US.

          I’M DONE, and I’M GLAD TRUMP WON.

        • @Sheri, “The President saying we (black folks) need to “get to the polls.” and He would be offended if we did not go vote?
          I was offended that he said the latter. Yes, why didn’t he call out other groups? It was not right to put the burden on AAs. I was offended when he did not give one dollar to HBCUs; but, we can find money for people who have never worked one day in the U.S…offended, offended. When his daughter was looking for a university they could have at least visited one HBUC. Of course, they all knew she was going to attend Harvard like her parents. Ghee, they could have pretend to show support. Overall Hispanics, a certain religion and LGTQ communities got more love than we did; I do not have an issue with any of those groups. I am just saying as a group we did not get a lot of love.

  3. I see that 94% figure as representing BW attaining peak ‘handmaiden to WW’/’The Help’ status. It also represents peak brainwashing by Hollywood and the white feminist fake sisterhood.

    In my opinion preparing BW for this election with HRC running is why movies like ‘The Help’ were even made along with a host of tv/movies with BW playing the role of devoted sidekick to the white female heroine. Unfortunately Michelle Obama allowed herself to be used in the election to personify that symbolism. I’m sure she had her reasons, but Democratic party still used her to help wrangle the BW’s vote and it clearly worked as a nice top up to all the subliminal messaging that the media have thrust down BW’s throats for the past decade.
    Subliminal images like this one for the movie Pitch Perfect with the mannish BW on her knees before the feminine WW:
    http://vividscreen.info/pic/pitch-perfect-2/25853/

    So this 94% represents the lowest level that BW have fallen to in terms of putting others before themselves. Noone, and I repeat noone else does this to the extent that BW have done. The voting figures for this election proves that. As a group we are not for ourselves. We really aren’t. Everything from the crazed support for the BM criminal advocacy group, BLM to the collective utter disinterest in black female suffering at the hands of BM demonstrates this. Our needs never come first for us so the idea that we could demand anything from anyone else is a joke. We are at the lowest point right now.

    But, I do feel that a turning point has been reached. A change is in the air. After hitting rock bottom, the only way now is up.
    The BWE message has escaped out of Pandora’s box despite all the attempts to contain it and is truly begining to transform hearts and minds. Meanwhile the various forces, powers and principalities that feel that they own and control BW will stay confident in the knowledge of how extensive their power over us has just proved to be and thus will not get in the way of the tide of changes that I see coming to affect BW’s thinking and behaviour. Not that they could really do anything to stop it anyway because it’s more than just a tide that’s coming, it’s a tsunami!

    • @S.B,

      The propaganda was seriously strong..my husband noticed it too. He wanted to know why so many commercials and movies were featuring everyone but black women, why black women had no love interests and why the mammy characters came back with a roar in the last 8years. I agree with you, when you’ve hit the bottom you either sit there or rise up.

    • @ S.B,

      Regarding the link you provided, they did the same thing with Leslie Jones in “Ghostbusters” and don’t get me started on “Orange is the new black.” The pushing and shoving to replace biologically born black women with black males dressed as women and promoting the masculinized biologically born black woman is real. All it took was for Bruce Jenner to come out with his shenanigans and the white men in North Carolina said nope, nope and nope. Black women may not realize this now, but the republicans in NC refusing to go along with allowing men access to everything that girls and women have now will do more to protect us and our image in the future.

      My sister- in-law’s sorority, DST, got thrown off of her campus for not allowing a black man to join. White men weren’t going to give that mess a mile the way black men complacently sat and watched themselves be bullied and further emasculated and black women more masculine. White men were not willing to put their wives, mothers and daughters in dangerous situations, so they actively worked protect their women and girls womanhood and femininity, even if it cost them the annual revenue they recieved from the NCAA basketball championship played in NC, as well as lucrative businesses that pulled out of NC…This is why 53% of the women voted for Trump and over 60% of the men, although they’re not going to openly admit it.. it’s not just the illegals that were bothering most of them…. The women knew HRC wasn’t going to protect them or be able to provide the privilege afforded to them by white men, and the men knew she wanted to diminish them. They saw HRC handing the reins over to men that wanted to re-define men, women and gender in a way they did not agree with.

      It’s one thing to hear women discuss removing patriarchy, and there are clearly elements of patriarchy that are harmful to women and girls, however there are many benefits as well that speak to the power and protection that women have and gain through patriarchy. Only a certain type of man and woman insists that all forms of patriarchy be removed and what they want removed is the access, power and protection that heterosexual and some lesbian women have over heterosexual men. Many of these people make up a bulk of those protesting..I say ‘some’ lesbian women because some of them see the privilege of still being protected as a woman through patriarchy..

      • PRAISE GOD for N.C. and the Electoral College!

        When I was younger, I used to briefly support the notion of popular vote-based Presidential elections. One of my colleagues talked to me about the “tyranny of the majority”. Now that I am older, I SEE the value/benefit of the Electoral College approach. IMO, the Democratic Party has been trying in recent years and with it’s policies to NUMERICALLY “FLOOD OUT” the possibility of having any opposition to its power and political agenda. They talk about “not wanting to break up families”, etc. but, I don’t believe that’s their concern AT ALL (or, at least, FUNDAMENTALLY). And, they’ve been trying to “erode” the political influence of the Christian “Right” for A LONG TIME. As a Christian, I AM GLAD they have not yet achieved success on that front.

        The older I get, the more I appreciate this country, the insight and wisdom of the Founding Fathers who LITERALLY put their lives and fortunes AT STAKE for its establishment. And, OF COURSE, I don’t “overlook”, “approve of”, “marginalize”, or IGNORE the history of SLAVERY/Jim Crow/RACISM in THIS COUNTRY–I KNOW there will be those who ask that question.

        And, BM, IN GENERAL, are very “apathetic”. I was reading a response online written by a WW who was talking about how her husband (?) was only 1 of 3 BM in his family who decided to vote and how so many black males in the neighborhood were saying they weren’t standing in no line to vote.

        THANK GOD we didn’t depend upon THIS (THESE RECENT) GENERATION(S) for our freedom and liberty!

      • @Sheri The progressives don’t want to remove patriarchy in my opinion. It’s a scam to corral so called minority groups into a controllable voting block.

        They simply pay lip service to minorities whilst ruthlessly exploitiing them. I see them as being as fundamentally hateful towards women and natural femininity as any rabidly misogynist mullah or catholic priest, or else why insist on using the minute population of trans-freaks to redefine womenhood.

        I see that as a deliberate act of disinheritance. To tell women that womanhood is all in your mind and men with penises have the right to assail women’s safe spaces, refuges and even have access to lesbian women’s bodies because they ‘feel like women’ in their heads.

        Progressives have simply taken patriarchy further than even the traditional male patriarch has dared to go, in attempting to invade and possess women’s very identities and souls.

        • @S.B,

          Excellent points, and your quote below is everything!

          “Progressives have simply taken patriarchy further than even the traditional male patriarch has dared to go, in attempting to invade and possess women’s very identities and souls.”

        • ” Progressives have simply taken patriarchy further than even the traditional male patriarch has dared to go, in attempting to invade and possess women’s very identities and souls.”

          cosign

        • SB!!

          Your comment is everything! Your discussion of what the progressives DO NOT want to do was superb.
          The fundamental hate that they have towards women and NATURAL femininity being as rabidly misogynistic as a mullah or catholic priest was the portion that blew me away. Powerful, on point and should truly wake up some of these younger black women to what has really been happening.

          And I second whole heartedly your examination of this issue. Well done and well said. The Federalist article that you linked is a must read.

    • I too cannot stand that poster. The bw was made to dress like a guy and her stance was manly. Who is she guarding? BW should not be so hungry to star in a movie. Her pride was not showing. Even Rebel Wilson was allowed to look a little girlish; although, it is not easy for her.

  4. I was not “with her”, and not in the 94%. I’m staying silently neutral in my everyday dealings, and continuing to get my house in order. This elections season has been a case study in all of the issues we have talked about in this blog and other BWE blogs. The language of blatant “ownership” has been used excessively by everyone in this media campaign in regards to black voters, as if we have no individual thoughts or humanity of our own. We are simply Obama’s inanimate votes, to be neatly transferred to Hillary or whichever Democrat wants to use them next. Like slaves to be inherited or given away at will.

    @ S.B., thanks for the “peak handmaiden” term. It reminds me of Khadija’s “peak oil” post from a while back. From the news and social media as well as real life observation, it seems that peak hypocrisy is also being brought to light in the journalism and political spheres, and many AAs and others are experience a peak in cognitive dissonance between what they have always believed and the reality that they are being forced to see.

    This cognitive dissonance is heightening the lashing out and hysterical reactions, so it’s best to avoid speaking on politics at all, even if you think you are in ‘friendly’ company. While most bw are being loyal and earnest to a fault, many others in the fake rainbow coalition are playing both sides, and will not hesitate to implicate/entangle you if they can advance or benefit in some way.

    I was encouraged that many posters in Lipstick Alley, of all places, were calling for black people to stay out of the protests this week, with almost 300 posts in the past 2 days: http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/1106862-A-plea-for-any-black-people-to-sit-out-these-anti-trump-protests?s=c214cd1f7eacd1a043c425cda8393482

    • “The language of blatant “ownership” has been used excessively by everyone in this media campaign in regards to black voters, as if we have no individual thoughts or humanity of our own. We are simply Obama’s inanimate votes, to be neatly transferred to Hillary or whichever Democrat wants to use them next. Like slaves to be inherited or given away at will.

      I really could not have described it better myself. Personally, I think that this could actually be as good an opportunity as any for a real 3rd/independent party to form, but it seems that there are just too many sheeple to see it and act accordingly. If the independent party/parties don’t take advantage of this moment and make a real impact (such as in the next two years in the lead up to the mid-terms in 2018), I doubt they ever will. Currently, the ‘establishment’ would be far more focused on Trump and on fighting each other, both within their respective parties and between both main parties. So, it would be a good time for a real, credible 3rd party to emerge, whilst those entities who would be heavily invested in stamping them out are not paying attention. And more importantly, it would be a good idea for BW to get in on the act to ensure that they have a seat at the table when decisions are being made, to ensure that they can steer the foundational principles of said independent party towards one that would be beneficial to them.

      • Great insights, JaliliMaster. I don’t know that the third parties were really prepared for this time of opportunity, but we’ll see what happens in the next year or so. I think this shakeup in politics, and the current self-analysis going on in all the parties, could be a little foothold for black women to carve/renegotiate out a place for themselves.

    • @poweredbyjoy Yes, many things are reaching their peak right now, especially cognitive dissonance in the general population. We are living in interesting times.

    • poweredbyjoy,

      Like JaliliMaster said, I also could not have said it any better to describe “The language of blatant “ownership” regarding Black voters that you mentioned. I’ve seen and heard grumbles here and there in response to this type of language, but not enough rejection of it. Hopefully, this election result will shock more Black voters awake enough to reject being hand-me-downs to be passed around like that by the Democrats (or any other party).

      Thank you for that Lipstick Alley link–it gave me life to see that! 🙂

      JaliliMaster,

      You said, “Personally, I think that this could actually be as good an opportunity as any for a real 3rd/independent party to form, but it seems that there are just too many sheeple to see it and act accordingly. If the independent party/parties don’t take advantage of this moment and make a real impact (such as in the next two years in the lead up to the mid-terms in 2018), I doubt they ever will.”

      I hope the Democratic party inadvertently forces more Black voters off that particular plantation by pandering even harder to working class, often-racist White voters. I believe it was the Democratic party’s past 25+ years of chasing that demographic by moving rightward policywise that culminated in this election result. Democratic politicians supported the same things that Republicans supported like NAFTA that sent so many Americans’ jobs overseas.
      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/1/1/1255736/-NAFTA-at-20-An-Unhappy-Birthday-and-a-Look-at-the-Roll-Call-Votes-on-Free-Trade-Deals

      Black Agenda Report often sounds like its writers are in a 1960s time warp, but I agree with the general gist of this post.
      http://blackagendareport.com/dump_the_democrats_for_good

      • Hi Khadija!

        I check out Lipstick Alley from time to time to see what Blackistani nonsense my younger family members are imbibing, but I have been pleasantly surprised every now and then. BWE thought has definitely reached critical mass. Scrolling down, it also looks like they have a “colorism” forum, also. Black women are getting the memo.

        Thanks for those articles. I’ve learned to accept that racism is ‘baked into the cake’ of almost any/all mainstream white organizations/institutions to some degree, so they all should be closely scrutinized and periodically re-evaluated. I’ve lived in small-town ‘red state’ territory for a long time, so I knew that many ‘journalists’ and pollsters were out of touch with reality/auditioning for Pravda when they said that many southern states would ‘turn purple’ for Hillary. The Hillary hate down here is strong, especially with white women. Her Pyrrhic charge towards victory over the bodies of various female surrogates and staffers didn’t help her cause among fence-sitters, either. So many black people have grumbled to me privately over the years about the lack of enthusiasm that Obama has for helping AAs, feeling ignored, how he’s kowtowing to everyone else etc. Even though they would never say so in public, even in a group of other similarly situated AAs. These were the silent black voters who stayed home. So I was not surprised that Hillary got less support than Obama did on that score.

        Also, many people I’ve talked to of various races, are beginning to see the Democratic party as the Militant Transgender/Gender/Fringe Ideology party, who are playing the social engineering fiddle while the world burns. At the very least, Democrats are that couple at a nice restaurant that eats and chats quietly, pretending not to notice that their kids are running around tearing down the place.

        LOL, now that I’ve run out of metaphors and space on my screen, I’ll wrap up my comment below.

        • While I believe many American whites are “functionally racist” in the way that some people are functionally illiterate, I voted either Republican or Independent on my local representatives, by looking at the results/records of the candidates. We’ve had many local ‘Rev. Al’ types of promise-everything-do-nothing black Dem candidates*. I even remember my grandmother calling ‘Commissioner Ezekiel So-and-So’ and ‘Rep. Good Blackman’, and their *mothers* when she couldn’t get a hold of them, to ask why they weren’t taking care of things they said they would do etc. To little or no avail besides sweet words. Whereas local Republicans tend to do what they say, especially in regards to infrastructure and safety issues. I also feel the pain of small-time farmers and business owners, who feel (myself included) that a lot of local knowledge and common sense about what works best ‘for us’ (certain environmental regs for example) is being erased by ever-expanding ‘Washington’ government. Many small towns are overwhelmed with immigration issues, but only receive lectures from liberals, with no practical tools or solutions to help them meet halfway.

          I am particularly concerned about our elderly black population, which is what motivates my support of pro-life, law-and-order position. The Big Mamas (I particularly hate that Martin Lawrence/TP have co-opted and smeared their image) generation is the last we have of the grit and dignity that many AA used to have. Yet they are largely abandoned by younger blacks in their families and neighborhoods. In my experience, many elderly blacks are already getting bare minimum care from indifferent doctors and negligent nursing homes. How much more will this increase when “assisted suicide” becomes the go-to option? There are so many conflicts of interest and red flags with this issue, but the progressive train seems to be moving full speed ahead with it. Also, white law enforcement are the only group that I’ve seen trying to crack down on elder abuse in black communities. In these neighborhoods that have been ‘liberated’ from police by the grassroots, all sorts of horrible things happen to our elders. I’ve been told of black criminals who seek out elderly blacks, hold them hostage in their own houses, get them addicted to drugs, and use that to manipulate them,draining any retirement/Social Security benefits that they receive. In my thinking, criminals would continue to be emboldened under another heavily liberal administration.

          Having been on both sides at one time or another, I consider myself more of a moderate on a lot of issues. Those are some reasons off the top of my head, why I leaned more conservative in this election. So while I won’t be wearing any red hats, I felt that Trump would support/be less obstructionist to some of those concerns, vs. Hillary. I feel like women’s rights are fast becoming a thing of the past on the left,also, and will be sacrificed to the trans male agenda.

          *Black Republicans don’t get a pass either. Some of them have some weird sentiments, and like to take unnecessary side ‘digs’ at other blacks. I recently saw (online) a black woman Republican commenting on the latest Vogue cover, saying that she couldn’t wait for a cover with Melania ‘wearing her own hair’. No one else in her mainly white timeline was discussing the cover, but she just couldn’t resist getting a random ‘dig’ in about a fellow bw’s hair, inviting others to get their shots in. Further on in the timeline, she decries ‘conservative racism’ on the part of whites, trying to rally black troopers. {eyeroll} In my opinion, *some* black conservatives enjoy their purple unicorn/special snowflake status more than their commitment to conservative principles.

        • Poweredbyjoy,

          INTERESTING. I didn’t realize MICHELLE wasn’t wearing “HER OWN hair” on the magazine covers (or ANY time, for that matter). “EVERYONE” feels they have a right to “police”, “control”, “critique” BW’s looks and personal choices. It’s UNFORTUNATE, but not surprising, that another BW decided to “jump in on this”. I wonder what SHE looked like and what HER ethnic composition/hair texture consisted of.

          Oh well. She’s a “NON-FACTOR”.

          For the local elections, I voted Republican, Democrat, Green, and Independent. I TOO tried to vote on policy positions and actions. UNFORTUNATELY, it seems some people think “a vote for Trump” equals being “closed-minded”, “bigoted”, “a sellout”, etc. IT IS POSSIBLE that Trump best addressed/reflected the LEGITIMATE CONCERNS some people had. And, IT’S OBVIOUS his platform appealed to MANY people–not just David Duke.

          You raised some VALID POINTS about elder abuse and the potential social policy direction towards euthanasia of “weaker”, “less valuable” members of society. Even if many Republicans wanted to SUPPORT that, “the Christian Right” WOULDN’T LET them.

          I, TOO, am more of a “moderate” with stronger views on certain topics. Again, as I have stated before, we MUST EACH “vote with OUR OWN CONSCIENCE”.

          THANK you, for sharing your perspective.

        • “I feel like women’s rights are fast becoming a thing of the past on the left,also, and will be sacrificed to the trans male agenda.”

          YES. I ACTUALLY WISH HILLARY had won the Democratic primary rather than Barack. Since Romney wanted to privatize social security (which I VEHEMENTLY OPPOSE), I would have voted for her. I believe that HAD SHE been President, instead of Barack, she would not have pushed to allow men into “women’s spaces”, as she is a REAL woman. Barack’s decisions on these matters show me that he is COMPLETELY “OUT OF TOUCH.” with women’s thoughts and needs-INCLUDING HIS OWN DAUGHTERS’

  5. I myself stay neutral did not vote for HRC, voted independent party. In history class today stupidity is strong with the handmaidens. They are planning to attend the march on January 20, 2016. One individual stated her father was in the Black Panther party, and she is following in his footsteps. I pointed out to the fool the Panther’s were know to be abusers. She did not want to listen. A fellow white male student told her expected to be shot/jailed, and life as you know it will be over. My instructor who is Asian was trying to talk another student from marching in January 2016, but of course she going to counsel her. This student is Asian also. Staying low on the radar, and preparing.

  6. I know that I’m going to get shot for this because we were taught to believe that the Democratic Party cared about blacks and women when that’s not true since the Democratic party were the racist ones. I was one of the 4% that support Donald Trump because I have conservative views, and I’m more about economics. I’m about doing for self and not depending on the government to take care of me. I hate welfare. I hate abortion. I hate gay marriage. I hate homosexuality. I believe that everybody should own guns. And I believe in working for what I want instead of receiving the government handouts. Trump is not perfect, but I refuse to play the race and gender card and look at Trump as a racist because he’s not. He’s business minded like I am. I know what you are going to ask me. What is he going to do for a person that represents two minorities (black and a woman)? We were taught that the Republican Party was a racist party by these stupid liberals while it was them all along. It’s the Democratic party that enslaved blacks. It’s the Democratic party that started the KKK. So if anything, it’s the Democrats that wanted blacks to be at the bottom of the barrel, and the only way to do that is to offer them government handouts so that blacks would be so complacent that we wouldn’t go anywhere and will use the race and gender card as the reason why we couldn’t make it. The Democratic Party was always about division. It’s economic plantation. I switched to Republican. I will never be Democrat ever again. Thank Goddess I wasn’t a part of the 94%. It should be a little more than 4% of black women voting for Trump.

    • @Chicolatekisses1977,

      Nope, your not going to get shot… and for all those that think Trump has a problem with black women..

      One of his girlfriends, Kara Young..and I remember them being either on the cover of Ebony or Essence magazine back in the late 80’s early 90’s with them both posing holding their baby. I believe she is married to a billionaire herself..just google. You read me right. You cannot find that magazine now, however I’m sure it’s in their archives..

      http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/donald-trump-former-flames-2015287/46496

      • I feel like that is not the only BW Trump has dated. There was another. If I recall correctly, she was darker skinned and a journalist.

    • chocolatekisses1977,

      I take if from your screen name that you were probably born in 1977. [Which makes me ponder the world as it was when you were born.] I’m always curious when I read statements like some of the things you’ve said in your comment, and I hope you don’t mind me asking a few questions.

      You said, “I was one of the 4% that support Donald Trump because I have conservative views, and I’m more about economics. I’m about doing for self and not depending on the government to take care of me. I hate welfare. I hate abortion. I hate gay marriage. I hate homosexuality. I believe that everybody should own guns. And I believe in working for what I want instead of receiving the government handouts.”

      Do you also hate women having access to birth control?

      Since you hate welfare AND abortion, how do you propose the millions of existing bastard babies that BW have birthed be fed, housed and clothed? Would you be comfortable with seeing the large percentage of Black bastard kids born into poverty starve in the streets? In other words, what is your plan for the already existing bastard spawn of BW welfare queens/Section 8 recipients?

      You said, “Trump is not perfect, but I refuse to play the race and gender card and look at Trump as a racist because he’s not. He’s business minded like I am.”

      How do you know what’s in Trump’s heart? I’m genuinely curious when I hear people make these sorts of statements about people that they have NO personal contact or interaction with.

      You said, “We were taught that the Republican Party was a racist party by these stupid liberals while it was them all along. It’s the Democratic party that enslaved blacks. It’s the Democratic party that started the KKK. So if anything, it’s the Democrats that wanted blacks to be at the bottom of the barrel, and the only way to do that is to offer them government handouts so that blacks would be so complacent that we wouldn’t go anywhere and will use the race and gender card as the reason why we couldn’t make it. The Democratic Party was always about division.”

      I would sincerely appreciate it if you would refer me to your sources for this information you’ve stated above. Please don’t hesitate to correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that racist Whites abandoned the Democratic party and ran to the Republic Party because they were unhappy with Southern Democrat Pres. Lyndon Johnson’s support of the Voting Rights Act, his War On Poverty policies (which included Head Start, food stamps and work study programs). My understanding is that Pres. Johnson was *still* a racist, http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/lyndon-johnson-civil-rights-racism [keeping in mind that I’m *not* claiming this article is 100% accurate, but it’s a good example of how real life is often composed of shades of gray]

      . . . nevertheless the policies he enacted enabled several generations of bastard Black children to eat food and enter kindergarten more prepared to learn. Bastard Black children who otherwise would have gone HUNGRY and have been even more intellectually stunted in their development (due to lack of proper parenting by the Sheniquas who bred them). For real.

      Imma be REAL—my interest in the above is mostly philosophical. MY parents were middle-class professionals who paid my way through private school and college. My brother and I never ate from public aid. But I recognize that there are a LOT of college-educated Black adults who *did* grow up eating from public aid; and who would *not* have grown up to be college-educated adults if these programs weren’t available when they were children. Which gets back to one of my earlier questions:

      If you hate welfare AND abortion do you also hate women having access to birth control?

      And since you hate welfare AND abortion, what are your plans for the already existing bastard babies and children in the U.S.?

      Also, I’m curious as to where you get your information—what media outlets do you read and/or watch? Please know that I’m NOT trying to be sarcastic or attacking with these questions. Maybe I’m misinformed about all of the above. If so, I would appreciate being corrected. I’m always genuinely curious as to what sort of information creates various viewpoints.

      • I know that you disagree with me being a Trump supporter, but I will not change my stance. Maybe if black women stop allowing black males to screw them raw, then they wouldn’t have to worry about the election. I’m black, female, single, childless, and employed, and I’m against illegal immigration, and I have every right to vote who I want. I feel that black women should be able to share their opinions with being criticized for it. I will not be ashamed for being a Republican.

      • If you want to keep playing the race card, be my guess, and that party switch is a myth. You were brainwashed by the liberals to believe that Republicans were racist, well, you need to do some research before you start jumping on me.

      • If you want black women to keep relying on the government to give them free toys because they were too irresponsible to not get pregnant, then it’s you that is voting for their detriment. You want black women to keep screwing unprotected, making bastard babies so they can depend on the government and my taxes are going to continuously taken out of my paycheck so I can continue to pay for other people’s stupidity. How about keeping your legs closed, get up off your ass and get a job and quit taking my taxes from MY money? How about that. You want black women to be enslaved to the government instead of rely on themselves and earn their own money. YOU’RE the one that’s the problem, not me. TRUMP SUPPORTER FOR LIFE!

        • @Black Goddess… I think..

          Um, er, not saying that black women’s words can’t read angry, however your words read a little too angry, downright hostile to be written by a black woman. Especially, your last two sentences. Your crazed hostility is directed towards black women not the cultural propaganda in place that have created problems for us. Now go away, you have nothing productive to add except ignorance.

      • chocolatekisses1977/The Black Goddess,

        My goodness . . . you’re making a LOT of assumptions. Additionally, to immediately snap into emotionalism coupled with an inability to explain one’s viewpoint using reason is *not* a good look for somebody who might be pushing up on 40 years old. {smh}

        You said, “I know that you disagree with me being a Trump supporter, but I will not change my stance.”

        Actually, you *don’t* “know” that. You’re making assumptions (one of many assumptions that you’ve made in your angry tirade-based responses) without bothering to ask me about my viewpoints.

        Something else that you don’t know is that I’ve been having lively and pleasant private email conversations with several of my blog readers who voted for Trump. Before and after this election.

        And NO, I’m not interesting in trying to get anybody to “change [their] stance.” I’m more interested in the reasoning and information that goes into people’s decisions. Because as I said earlier, I might be misinformed and i stand ready to be corrected if that’s the case. I asked to learn about your reasoning and information. Unfortunately, it’s sounding like you’re incapable of providing either reasoning or information.

        For those who are curious, let me say this:

        Anybody who’s read any of my work knows that I’m not a fan of Sheniqua’s bastard baby-making or of her generational dependence on welfare. My issue is that the loudest voices among Blacks against these things never have any sort of a plan to clean up the mess. It’s just angry ranting with no plan. Which is irresponsible. As I’ve said before when the topic of abortion comes up, I can respect the Catholic Church’s anti-abortion stance. Because they put their money where their mouth is, and have created charities (such as Catholic Charities) to help clean up the mess. So, I won’t even get far into that particular issue.

        I was not part of the 94%, and I was never going to be part of the 94%. I’ve strongly disliked both Clintons since Bill Clinton was President. I have a long memory about the Clintons, and the notion of voting for Hillary Clinton was never on the table for me. I was either going to vote for Trump or Jill Stein of the Green Party.

        There are parts of Trump’s stated platform that I agree with (such as getting the millions of illegal aliens OUT of this country). But there are other parts of his stated platform that my conscience won’t allow me to support in any capacity. Because I support the American Enlightenment principles of this country’s founding fathers.

        There were/are several things about Trump that are insurmountable deal-breakers for me–because parts of his campaign go *against* several of the principles the Founding Fathers used to create this country.

        So, I ultimately voted for Jill Stein (because most of her and the Green Party’s positions are in alignment with my values).

        A word about Black slaves mindlessly rallying around ANY White political party: Speaking for myself only, NONE of these White parties accurately describe my worldview and values. NONE of these White parties were created with African-Americans’ interests in mind.

        I happen to be an admirer of the values of what has been called the “American Enlightenment.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment

        These are the same values (rational thought; religious tolerance; “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness”) that led many of this country’s founding fathers to found this country. From the above-referenced Wikipedia page:

        “Both the Moderate Enlightenment and a Radical or Revolutionary Enlightenment were reactions against the authoritarianism, irrationality, and obscurantism of the established churches.”

        Peace be upon you, chocolatekisses1977/The Black Goddess.

        • Khadija,

          I believe so-called “Black Goddess” is a troll throwing out the typical racist, sexist, “if you would only keep your legs closed” mysoginy. He can find plenty of places in America with non-black women that fit his descriptions..

        • Khadija,

          I know right!! I mean, I know we get upset too, and the first comment wasn’t as alarming, the rest sounded like they were written by an angry male robot, lol!!

          On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Not Your Girl Friday wrote:

          > Khadija Nassif commented: “Sheri, Guurl, I hope that’s a male troll and > not another BW. {still smh}” >

    • HIGH FIVE, chocolate kisses!

      I voted for Trump because I AGREE with an “America First” policy. I want more emphasis placed on protecting “our soil”. I support LEGAL immigration ONLY (the first part of “becoming a member” of a society is respecting ITS LAWS). I’m tired of the RAMPANT *UNCHECKED* CRIME in th BC. And, FRANKLY I’m tired of the loss of patriotism and respect for our country. I’m ALSO hoping to see more jobs and infrastructure development in areas that have been “left behind”. And, I’m against a “globalist” agenda. I want cooperation between governments, but I want to maintain U.S. AUTONOMY.

    • chocolatekisses,

      I learned in my political science classes that many racist Democrats switched to the Republican Party because they were upset about certain laws that were enacted to help blacks after the Civil Rights Movement.

      Nevertheless, I agree that the current Democratic Party believes they “OWN” us.

      UNFORTUNATELY, for blacks, MOST OF THE WORLD discriminates and is prejudiced AGAINST US. It’s one of those realities for us “to face and deal with”, if we’re EVER going to get ahead. If we allow ourselves to be continually wounded by the “dislike” of others, we will NEVER HEAL (and hence NEVER GROW STRONG).

      • I disagree. The liberals rewrote their political history to cover their tracks to make blacks believe that the Republican Party was their enemy. And most the college courses are liberal affiliated. I’m not buying the political party switch, I’m sorry, I’m not. I will not be shamed for being Republican.

        • Hey, Black Goddess.

          I don’t want you to be “ASHAMED” for your beliefs.

          I don’t consider myself a “Democrat” OR a “Republican”. I can only BEST “classify” myself as a Patriotic Protestant AA Woman (heterosexual and biologically born, since there are so many “nuances” these days).

        • And, YES. Many colleges ARE “liberal”-affiliated. I know my academic department was. I’m pretty sure MOST (if not all of them PUBLICLY) supported Hillary for President. I highly doubt ANY of them supported TRUMP (at least, PUBLICLY).

          My feelings and thoughts about Trump are MY OWN.

        • @Black Goddess,

          Gurl, your handle is all about race, lol!! if you read the comments so far, you will see that I and other black women voted for Trump. So no one is upset with you. Second, this fantastic blog from Khadija is a gift as well as other BWE blogs like “Muslim Bushido” and” Neecy’s Nest” have done an enormous service in educating and providing black women frankly of all ages, with critical thinking tools ( thoughtful commentary and comments sharing links and information to educate) needed to help black women begin to think independently from the male dominated black community, the other “marginalized ” groups and the boatload of propaganda fed to black women and girls that keep us attached at the hip to the leeches draining us from ourselves. Read all of the older posts of you haven’t already so you can observe how people, in and out of the black community have continuously used black women to climb up and over to achieve agendas that don’t seem to include us.

  7. To piggyback on OLS’ post, I just want to write this as caution to younger black women regarding what’s going on in social media: do NOT jump on the bandwagon of bashing and shaming WW for voting for Trump.

    Don’t make posts shaming them for not being allies and calling for allyship now. There’s a reality that BW categorically refuse to acknowledge: just because BW have a historical tradition of sidelining their best interests for others (who do not reciprocate) doesn’t mean other women are stupid enough to do the same.

    The women professing allyship now are only trying to secure YOUR participation in the future. When it comes down to it, they will NOT give up one bit of privilege for any “cause”. They’ll argue that it doesn’t really exist, or that it’s needed to “further the cause”, or quite simply stay silent when it comes down to it.

    But most importantly, bashing them publicly is a testament that you don’t know “how the game works” and it’s separating yourself from the very women responsible for your “trickle down benefits”. All this time we have received the benefit of what was designed to protect white women – by proxy, because there hasn’t been much specific language to exclude BW. This continued bashing could cause that specific exclusion to come about, not by race explicitly, but by circumstance.

    When you see things like this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/20/donald-trumps-new-paid-maternity-leave-plan-might-exclude-single-mothers/

    You can see how a country that can’t directly violate Title VII can circumvent it.

    I’m so disgusted with what I’m seeing (mostly) OLDER BW doing on social media. They are playing a fool’s game. They have lost the war AND the battle and are leading you astray. This strategy HAS NOT EVER WORKED and this recent election should make that clear. Do NOT follow along. Do NOT get involved and most importantly, don’t start pointing fingers at the very women who ARE protected unless you want the bulls-eye on you.

    • THANKS, for saying this, Gina!

      SAGE ADVICE.

      Lord have mercy. Single moms need the support EVEN MORE than married moms do. FORTUNATELY, that link said Trump’s people say it will cover single mothers as well. Trump,has never struck me as an “austere” conservative. However, many strict conservatives supported him this election, and they are going to want to see their influence in his policies.

      LET THE POLITICAL GAMES BEGIN.

      • —Single moms need the support EVEN MORE than married moms do. FORTUNATELY, that link said Trump’s people say it will cover single mothers as well. —

        The thing is… it’s not REALLY about supporting that. If you look at what’s going on, and understand the laws that impact maternity leave, it’s more of a move to take the lower wage earners out of getting public assistance due to pregnancy and childbirth.

        (IMO, it’s curious that they are not covering leave under disability law as that’s already a given in many states, but I digress)

        The preliminary language says that it would be covered under unemployment, which is interesting, but also based on the # of weeks worked in a calendar year and the wages earned. It says the max benefit would be $1200 a month (roughly, because at $300 a week). The max benefit under unemployment is based on wages earned and isn’t designed to “cover” you, it’s designed to get you by, w/o public assistance, until you can get back to work.

        The point being that (I don’t really feel like looking up the data, but…) this isn’t going to do the trick for the situation many black single mothers are in. I fully expect that Trump will reform many aid programs to reflect the working poor and working class and NOT those who aren’t working. That’s a double whammy to get rid of those historically dependent on public aid AND immigrants leeching off public aid.

        This is still likely to help married working mothers the most. Especially given that they’ll still have another income to utilize.

        It remains to be seen how this falls out. The reality is supporting pregnancy and childbirth is one hell of a cost for businesses, especially smaller businesses. The BW who have baby after baby after baby do themselves no favor as they are a hiring liability (I’m just telling the truth about the behind closed doors HR conversations). There is “talk” that one hundred million dollar revenue company went under great financial strain as it’s predominantly female, young workforce began to start having children and hitting them with maternity leave/parenting leave. Not to belabor the point, but I think a lot of younger BW aren’t wolistic thinkers when it comes to this kind of stuff and it’s obvious that a conservative presidency will change the landscape of aid programs.

        • I never thought of it like that. Actually, I never thought of it “extensively” AT ALL.

          I’m, personally, glad my desire for children has reduced from 4 to 1-2. I look at economics, because I like a “comfortable ” and “somewhat privileged” lifestyle.

          I’m hoping better jobs return and become available to Americans. But, I’m also hoping more people “get back to work” IN GENERAL. If you’re capable, ESPECIALLY if you’re young, you should be engaged in “productivity” and WORK. That will help keep you out of unnecessary “trouble” and also provide LESS TIME for reproduction you can’t personally afford to “sustain”.

    • Gina,

      I totally agree! White women have and always will do what is best for them, and my only irritation is how they guilt or scare gullable black women for their feminist causes and the other half of them do what is in their best interest. Yep, black women have always been instructed by black men and older black women that have become bitter due to brainwashing to place ourselves last and be black male and community oriented. And bashing Melanie Trump isn’t a good idea.. they will protect her no matter what..White men are raised culturally to protect and provide, and white women expect and accept this, even when they claim not to. HuffPost is running an article now on how a white female mayor recently posted that she”can’t wait to have beauty and class in the White House instead of the ape in heels.” This is why black women need to look outside to men with power for support, not women of other races, simply because women aren’t interested in protecting and providing for other women and it’s not in their culture to do this alone. And they will even put the racist ones amongst them in check, where black men sit and stare. This is why Mrs. O, does not need to run and be their sacrificial lamb they will wind up abandoning anyway.. see our current campaign as an example.

      • —my only irritation is how they guilt or scare gullable black women for their feminist causes and the other half of them do what is in their best interest.—

        The overwhelming natural course of human nature is to do what’s in one’s best interest. I’m not sure WHEN or WHERE BW were thrown off track to not only not do that themselves, but to expect others to not do that. At this point I expect it’s almost hard-coded (epigenetics) and it will take a few generations to rid it of our systems. Your irritation is viewing WW through the lens you have been conditioned to have as a BW. In reality, they’re in the right, they’re doing what living organisms naturally evolved to do: survive and thrive – even if at the expense of others (after all, some animals eat other animals and/or kill to remove the threat). And if we broadly understood and accepted that it’s US who are going contrary to what’s natural, we’d be less surprised or frustrated at the ways others behave and start doing the same.

        • @Gina So true. BW’s self preservation instinct wiring is completely off and is misfiring on all cylinders. And it’s probably as you said on a hard coded epigenetic level after generations upon generations of brainwashing and abuse by the BC to put ourselves last in all things.
          And yes it’ll probably take further generations to completely reverse that tendancy. All we are doing now is begining a long awaited change of course.

        • I know some don’t like to reach back to slavery, however 300 years of anything that remaines consistently unchanged is hard core culture. The only way to immediately change culture is through force, wars, bloodshed or providing incentives too good to pass up for those in dire need.

          This is where black women were “thrown off track.” No other race of women in this country were seen as less than human. no other race of women went 300 years withought the protection from the men of their race. Native American men were still able to fight for their land, women, culture etc even if they lost most of it, they did not loose their manhood, nor did the women loose their womanhood/femininity..no matter how racist propaganda worked to diminish them as people. We weren’t so lucky.

          This is why black women see Harriet Tubman as still very 2016. Black men had no incentive to marry black women desperate for the protection and love from a man..we took crumbs and they knew we would. Black men’s refusal to marry black women had nothing to do with poverty as black women of course worked during and after slavery and many times were the sole bread winner.

          Black women’s history is unlike any other woman in this country and I’m afraid we are still very much caught emotionally in a culture we’ve only been out of 150 years. I agree, it will take many generations to as you put it, “broadly understand” we are going against nature…just have to stamp out the nurture part.

          Yes, it’s totally natural for humans to put themselves first, this is our first instinct, to survive..trust me, being married 25 years and deciding not to have children and not working is upsetting to many that have a vested interest in black women remaining confused and vulnerable. A black woman saying ‘no’ or refusing to help or be the help, is a cardinal sin inside and outside of the black community.

          However this instinct to survive can clearly get twisted if a person or race is exposed to non-stop propaganda that twists and turns to confuse and control the women and men they had to give up ownership of 150 years ago. They’re still fighting to keep control..money to be made and power to uphold and trust me, I know that racism isn’t always a factor in why people or groups do the things they do, however racism and propaganda will be used against us like all other forms of oppression if it means control which provides power, money and continued survival for others.

          Black folks know the saying “survival of the fittest” however black women more than black men are trained by a lot of inside and outside forces not to understand and embrace all of the levels of what survival of the fittest means. It is not a mistake that we are blocked from doing what comes naturally.

          We were then and now, very valuable to people, not just white people, and the ability to have agency over ourselves as women and humans becomes difficult when those groups benefit so much from our fragile existence. Black women haven’t really had the benefit of thriving in an ongoing way in environments hospitable enough for us to do what comes so naturally for others. You know many of us are taught that it’s selfish for us to take care of our needs first..the black church will help you understand this during the sermon while they pass the plate..Again, we have a race of men that condition women and girls to revolution for them and set aside ourselves as women to help them fight their never-ending war and never-ending enemy, the white man..of course not his woman, but the men.

        • @Sheri Slavery is not the cause. It goes back much further than that to Africa and it’s indigenous culture of mule-ing BW and the physical/mental and spiritual enslavement of BW.

          And it goes back much further than 300 years, more like thousands of years. Patriarchy in africa doesn’t work like white or asian patriarchy where the WM or AM does the bulk of the labour in exchange for dominating women, in the african system the BW does most of the physical laboring and still gets owned & oppressed by her men. This is why the african woman as a beast of burden is celebrated by BM as the symbol of Africa. It symbolises our ancient degradation and subjugation by them:
          https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/aug/30/water-sanitation-priorities-african-governments

          Breuklelen Bleu calls it the pymparchy because unlike the WM, AM or Arab man’s patriarchy, the African man’s system works more like a pimp and his hoes.
          The African ‘patriarch’ marries multiple wives and instead of working hard to provide for them all, instead works them like mules whilst breeding them like animals. It’s an abomination against the natural order/Goddess and the real reason Africa is now cursed to be enslaved, raped and exploited by other races!

        • S.B.

          I know this mess started long before slavery began and I agree, there are stark differences in how the various races of men established cultures that offered more for women and planted the early seeds leading to cultural enrichment and progress, as well the types of cultures some races of men established that offered little room for progress which would ultimately lead to the people and the cultures destruction in every sense of the word. Any man that took too long in understanding the importance of technology, building infrastructure, advancing ones weapons, or not allowing his curiosity to discover new lands, was probably in trouble long before they knew it. I realize geography and natural resources play a key role and land or water need to to be navigable, crossable and available in order to discover and exploite resources to help make the leap.

          Plenty of black people have attempted to blame slavery for the problems in Africa today by assuming that slavery, colonialism and re-drawing the lines on the map between countries is what exclusively created the brutality that has plagued African women and girls and fuels wars. Tribes were in every race, however there are countries and cultures that are still tribal and primitive in Africa as they were a thousand years ago and the races/cultures that successfully brought their tribes together always had a better chance of survival and to flourish.

          I hope that my comments aren’t taken as rude, however men that were using spears and stones and had yet to discover gun powder or develop weapons of war to protect themselves from invading forces from an invading border country or invaders from Europe, and the ground you stand on is chock full of natural resources that invading men have died and killed for to exploit, it would seem that many African cultures were destined to fail anyway.

          I limited my comments to America because although Africans brought their cultural values with them during slavery, the culture of slavery in America stamped out a good deal of African culture as well as the natural instincts other groups are able to freely excercise. The lack of care and value African men had shown towards African women prior to slavery was true, however slavery in America would shape how black women and black men’s bodies were viewed, sold and purchased as property and would become one of the single most important commodites to be exploited for material wealth, which in turn lead to the expansion and advancement of European-culture, power, money, growth and our overall country.

          Once in America, Africans were completely stripped, not just of name, language but overall culture that may have contained the natural instincts to do for ‘self.’ There was a methodology into creating a slave and that methodology used either eroded or erased the natural instincts to survive, protect, flee, fight and accept possibly dying in order to save someone else or themselves.

          Not saying some slaves didn’t try and do these things, however the severe punishment used if caught, further reinforced suppressing those instincts. Thats why there weren’t many Harriet Tubmans. Even back then, I’m sure everyone including black people were trying to figure out how she escaped the programming everyone else had downloaded into them from birth.

          Women in in Africa did suffer, however once in in America, the overall quality of life was far more diminished and much more brutal in that no man, father, grandparent or matriarch could intervene or at least provide some ounce of protection the culture may have afforded. The hierarchy of needs were barely met if at all for black women during slavery. I believe even in the harshest conditions in Africa, women were in touch with womanhood and femininity even if the customs were harsh. I think a woman could at least run to the bush in Africa, she had her language, knew the land, knew what was edible, could hide, something! That wasn’t happening here.

          Even today, women that come from Africa and land in Europe seem to have a much better sense of “survival of the fittest” and look at ‘self first’ more so than African American women. Slavery in America wasn’t in Europe, so the value Europeans had regarding Africa was stripping the land of its valuable resources and colonizing the continent. The only value an African body had to the European was when Africans were physically in Africa; outside of this, being sold as slaves to be dispersed.

          The value America placed on land in Africa was limited. Unlike Europe, America placed more value on the African’s physical body in America. America’s main interest wasn’t in colonizing countries in Africa, Europe had that covered, and since our bodies were what was valuable, having complete control over the body and keeping the mind detached from the body that housed it in order to maximize profit, was paramount. Every type of propaganda, racism, even religion was deployed to keep this valuable commodity from self-actualizing and other Americans from seeing slaves as human.

          Slavery in America did not allow the American Black woman the freedom to naturally take into consideration her own interests because we did not belong to ourselves. We were literally too valuable to buy our freedom even if we somehow found the money.

          Since slavery in America did not take root and thrive on European soil the way it did in America, the “We own you and we will continue to strive and find ways to own you” mindset does not exist in Europe the way it does in America and that mindset doesn’t exist in colonized Africa the way it does in America. The land and the resources in Africa were more valuable overall than the people to the Europeans except those countries that had businesses in the slave trade.

          Perhaps this is why, at least it appears to me, that African women are like Asian women in that if they have the opportunity to better their life through a man of another race or in another country, they move up and on. They’re not caught in the emotional, propaganda snares African American women are in like marriage is for everybody but black women, I don’t need a man to have children, it’s ok for 15 year old girls to be mothers, vulnerability and tears are for all other women except black women and girls, womanhood, femininity, legacy, protection, are not for us and give away you time, energy and effort, it’s free when it comes from black women, however everyone else should and deserves to be compensated…the list goes on…

          I am in complete awe of Harriet Tubman, however her legacy of risking her individual freedom, safety, risking her own life to save everyone, including black men and getting nor expecting anything in return has become the hallmark cultural values that are wrapped in various packages and promoted to African American girls and women. This is why I believe black women’s belief system as well as black men in America is directly tied to slavery and not Africa since slavery was a culture all by itself. The culture of slavery repealed and replaced African culture upon arrival in America. I agree, black men’s mis-treatment of black women and girls started thousands of years ago and it is still going on in various countries today. I just think the programming we are working off of even today is more related to the culture of slavery.

          P.S, I’m going to read your link you provided, I didn’t notice it until now since I wrote an opinion-filled mini book. I may need to revise after reading! 🤓

          On Wednesday, November 16, 2016, Not Your Girl Friday wrote:

          > S.B commented: “@Sheri Slavery is not the cause. It goes back much further > than that to Africa and it’s indigenous culture of mule-ing BW and the > physical/mental and spiritual enslavement of BW. And it goes back much > further than 300 years, more like thousands of ye” >

        • S.B,

          I read your link..smh..I know these men do not care about the women or the children or even what they look like to the rest of the world. This is where we see the separation in how races of men that develop cultures that are set up for success and cultures destined to fail. You see the difference in how the Arab man immediately began to develop the infrastructure of Saudia Arabia post independence as well with the discovery of oil.

          When colonized African countries gained independence, instead of taking control of the valuable natural resources, gold, diamonds and oil, and building the country and its infrastructure, dictators controlled and continued to provide access to countries that once colonized to continue to plunder the countries while the countries sit in shambles. Hatie is just heartbreaking. Absolutluy nothing is done. No matter how much money they recieve, none goes into creating sound infrastructure to handle the weather patterns like Japan has for earthquakes and tsunami’s.

        • @Sheri The BM as a group wherever he exists on this planet, whether in Africa or the diaspora, doesn’t believe in struggle or sacrifice for the benefit of his family or community.

          Sacrifice and work/struggle and responsibility is for BW only!

          That’s why everywhere in the world the BM’s societies and communities are so backwards and corrupt. Everything that is in the male domain (at least in most patriarchies) such as leadership, trade, business, innovation, sophisticated culture & civilisation, war & defense is always half assed by BM whether in Africa or the diaspora.

          That’s why there are no businesses in the BC other than hair shops owned by black women. All the other businesses are owned and mostly run by the MEN of other communities, whether white, asian, arab etc.

          BM (and the BC as a whole) feel that being born with a penis is the equivalent to being born with a silver spoon in your mouth. It signals both a higher social status and a RIGHT to a life of ease free of any real struggle with the associated RIGHT to the labor of a BW (or 2 or 3) to ensure that struggle free life.

          They see themselves as the ruler caste and BW as their servant caste. That’s what that ‘King/Kang’ title they love to give themselves is telling you. This is a fundamental belief of black people EVERYWHERE.

          Individual BM may behave differently especially those that have come under white or other cultural influences but they are just exceptions to the rule.
          And those other influences are actually fought tooth and nail by the BC. That’s what the blaming of all black societal & economic ills on slavery/colonialism/racism is really about, I believe. It’s just a way of avoiding taking responsibility for the failures of BM and ensuring that this evil, rotten system remains in place.

    • Gina,

      Below is an update to the link you provided around paid maternity leave…and apparently it wasn’t Trump that made marriaqge a requirement, it was his daughter…this is why black women need to look to powerful men outside to address what is important for us and take what is important for us away from women who will not do bidding on our behalf or see something as advantageous for other women.

      *Update: After this story published, Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller told The Post that Trump’s paid maternity leave policy would extend to single mothers. However, he could not explain why a marriage requirement is cited on the campaign’s website and in Ivanka Trump’s Cosmopolitan interview. *

      *”We don’t have the exact legislation written down,” he said.*

      On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Not Your Girl Friday < comment-reply@wordpress.com > wrote:

      > Gina commented: “To piggyback on OLS’ post, I just want to write this as > caution to younger black women regarding what’s going on in social media: > do NOT jump on the bandwagon of bashing and shaming WW for voting for > Trump. Don’t make posts shaming them for not being a” >

  8. Hello all,
    I chose not to vote this election because I REFUSED to support the democratic party or her. I wanted to vote for Trump however I couldn’t quite do it. I am OK with the results. My plan is to just sit back, watch, and be prepared for whatever. Thank you OLS, because I am truly ONE LESS SOLDIER for the democrats and anyone else who do not have our (BW) best interest at heart.

    • zimekcyn,

      THANKS for your HONESTY.

      I, TOO, went “back and forth” between voting for Trump and staying home. Voting for Hillary was NEVER an option, for me. At the end of the day, I decided to vote. I just was “not quite comfortable ” with making it easier for Hillary to win. I am thankful for this opportunity to lead the country down a different path. And, I hope Trump is SUCCESSFUL in his quest to improve the country and make the citizens “PROUD OF THEIR PRESIDENT”.

  9. Voting for Hillary = voting for muledom? Umm – no! I cannot get on board with that idea, especially since I have been a follower of BWE principles since before BWE existed. Trump was NEVER an option for me. Although I agree with much of what NYGF and some of the posters are writing, I could not condone, through my vote, the wave of hate Trump’s campaign engendered. Trump’s win gave ‘hate’ carte blanche seal of approval. I don’t think for one minute that black women will be excluded from the racial nastiness that is sure to come no matter how neutral we are. The only thing we can do is make sure our finances right, and that we have prepared ourselves for any professional, social and cultural tsunamis. I had my own reservations about Hillary – I nearly sat this election out. I don’t consider myself a feminist (I avoid them like plague), but I felt I had to do my part to try to keep Trump out of office. He won, and now I’m prepared to enact my plan to ensure me and mine stay afloat.

    • People have to vote with THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE. And, MOST, of us hope we made “the right choice” in the end.

      Some BW are “mules” for the Democratic (or Republican) party. Others vote that way because they TRULY AGREE. My position is not to judge/determine “which is which” but rather to avoid “muledom” MYSELF and to encourage others to do the same.

    • chrism31,

      You said, “Voting for Hillary = voting for muledom? Umm – no! I cannot get on board with that idea, especially since I have been a follower of BWE principles since before BWE existed.”

      I’m happy you said this. It speaks to a nagging worry that I’ve had in the back of my head over past few days. I hope and pray that BW don’t twist around what I’ve been saying (and what some other voices have been saying) into the notion that “Voting for Hillary = voting for muledom” Because let me make it clear—that’s NOT what I’m saying!

      BW have been so conditioned to be binary thinkers and as a collective, African-Americans (AAs) are programmed to get *everything* twisted around. Most AAs will take any and everything and twist it around into something destructive. AAs take new ideas and superimpose their same old, dysfunctional thought patterns onto the new idea. In the end, the new idea become merely a new slogan that’s used to justify the same old dysfunctional behavior.

      This is why AAs have turned every past solution into a new catastrophe. There are almost endless examples of this. We collectively did the “bait and switch” with many past solutions. We took desegregation and turned it into a pretext for engaging in a permanent, undeclared boycott against all Black-owned businesses (with the partial and dwindling exception of barbershops and hair salons). We took the language of multiculturalism and turned it into a pretext for maintaining our racial self-hatred and internal colorism.

      I really hope BW don’t take “stay neutral” and twist it around into a slogan to use in support of Klan-sympathizers and neo-Nazis. I know, I know—one is not supposed to bring up Nazi Germany in political discussions. Because in normal circumstances it’s out of bounds to draw parallels between anything that’s happening now in the U.S. and Nazi Germany (or Mussolini’s Italy). Imma go there anyway because these are NOT normal circumstances; and I’m NOT exaggerating or kidding when I say that these are dangerous times.

      BW need to stop treating these political party labels as if they mean something! And start looking at the substance of things instead of these outward symbols (such as Democrat or Republican). Just the other day during an in real life conversation, another BW tried to vouch for a certain policy idea by telling me that some Democrat politician/operative said it. She said this as if any of that is supposed to mean something to me. As if I’m supposed to be favorably inclined toward a policy position just because some member of a particular political party team/gang (be it Democrat, Republican or Green) supports it. Which brings me to my next point.

      You said, “Trump was NEVER an option for me. Although I agree with much of what NYGF and some of the posters are writing, I could not condone, through my vote, the wave of hate Trump’s campaign engendered. Trump’s win gave ‘hate’ carte blanche seal of approval. I don’t think for one minute that black women will be excluded from the racial nastiness that is sure to come no matter how neutral we are.”

      Whoomp, there it is! I personally refuse to ever again engage in Lesser-Evilism voting. But I WON’T condemn, “shade” or belittle the other BW who took the position that you took that “Trump was NEVER an option for” you. Reasonable minds can differ, but I share your concerns. I believe the choices Trump made in the way he ran his campaign ” gave ‘hate’ carte blanche seal of approval” (as you put it).

      Trump’s conduct during the campaign and the behavior he gave license to are textbook examples of exactly what the American founding fathers were afraid of—and tried to guard against. I would ask the reading audience to carefully consider the following behaviors that were on display during Trump’s campaign:

      (1) encouraging physical violence against dissenters at his rallies;
      (2) threatening a political opponent with imprisonment;
      (3) threatening the press for writing articles that are critical of him, his campaign choices, and/or his business activities.

      Supporting #1-3 is not patriotic behavior—at least not for anybody who supports the ideals and values the United States was founded upon.

      These 3 choices plus “giving ‘hate’ carte blanche seal of approval” by his refusal to disavow the endorsement he’s gotten from Klan creatures such as David Duke were/are deal-breakers for me. Because all of that mess adds up to physical danger for BW—who are scapegoats in this country. Reasonable minds can disagree. I’m just explaining my views about this.

      There’s a pattern with political leaders who engage in the constellation of behaviors listed above. And there’s a pattern with how minority groups end up in countries ruled by such leaders. A very ugly pattern. The history books and current day news articles are filled with descriptions of lots of political rulers who engage/d in these behaviors. Ladies, here are my questions to you:

      (a) Are THESE the behaviors of political leaders in what previous generations called “the free world”? OR
      (b) Are THESE the behaviors of political leaders in authoritarian and totalitarian regimes? Past regimes like Communist East Germany, the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy. Or current regimes like Communist China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Iran and other hellish places where you better not even look like you’re thinking about disagreeing with the ruler and his howling mob of supporters. Keep in mind, there are numbers of people in all of the above places that genuinely support these dictators and the ruling regime.

      The Founding Fathers were hypocrites (that bit about many of them being slaveowners), but they were also correct about many things related to government. Such as the dangers of mob rule, authoritarianism, and what has been called the tyranny of the majority.

      • Although I am patriotic and AGAINST amnesty, I am not a RACIST. (You NEVER SAID or SUGGESTED anything of the kind.)

        I don’t like AAs or ANYONE being UNFAIRLY discriminated against. That said, I do not yet believe Trump harbors the degree of “racism” or “prejudice” the press ACCUSES him of. Trump came out and denounced Duke’s endorsement. And, his son said Duke “deserves a bullet”. Now, Trump’s rejection may not have been as “VOCIFEROUS” as some would have liked, but HE DID DENOUNCE him.

        http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/politics/donald-trump-david-duke-louisiana-senate/

        http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/politics/eric-trump-on-david-duke/

        Trump being a wealthy WM running on the Republican platform makes MANY automatically assume and believe he is “racist”. I will just point out that Clinton called Sen. Robert Byrd (a former Klansman and recruiter) “a friend and mentor”. Obama also spoke highly of him. People can “do with that” what they want.

        Trump is not a “statesman”, and he HAS shown “immaturity ” in several of his responses. But, I feel he is “learning” and “growing”. His behavior and statements have IMPROVED. And, I feel he’s shown a willingness to listen to and learn from others (for example, listening to Obama’s advice, though he STRONGLY DISAGREES with him in many areas).

        His platform is not centered around “racial justice/reparations”, but HE DOES speak of wanting to be “a President FOR ALL Americans”, wanting to “bring the country together”, and wanting “to be the voice of the forgotten man and woman”. No MATTER WHAT HE DOES OR SAYS, people will accuse him of “racism”. That’s a label often thrown at WM and presumed to “stick”, unless said WM is a Democrat/liberal.

        Trump spoke of incarcerating Hillary because he said her actions would have led any other everyday American to be arrested and there are military heroes who have been arrested for less. Fact is, the “criminality” of her actions was A LARGE PART of his platform, just like her portrayal of him as a “racist” was A LARGE PART OF HERS.

        Frankly, I agree that the press decided what image they wanted to present of him and his message “and ROLLED WITH IT”. I felt there was a lot of INTENTIONAL “bias” and “misinterpretation” of what he said or policies he suggested. Had the press NOT BEEN so “biased”, they probably would have had “A BETTER CLUE” about the level of HIS SUPPORT. And, maybe, with THE TRUTH, Hillary would HAVE WON.

        Oh well.

        I don’t view Trump as being along the lines of a Pinochet. Maybe, I’m wrong. TIME WILL TELL. I’m willing to “GIVE HIM A CHANCE”. And, if I’m NOT PLEASED with the “outcome”, I’ll vote DIFFERENTLY next time.

        FOR ME, this election came down to “PRESERVING” the U.S. Or “LOSING IT”.

        Furthermore, Obama did his best to PUSH the country down the direction HE thought it should go. I’m, personally, looking forward to a REVERSAL.

        • OLS, please delete if this is a duplicate comment. I had a problem with my laptop.

          Formavitae,

          Respectfully, it’s difficult for me to engage Obama-bots OR right-wing/conservative Blacks in serious dialogue because their communication patterns make serious conversation with them verrrry difficult:

          *Cherry-picking and “spinning” reality.* It’s hard to talk to people who have their own partisan set of purported facts. If conversation participants can’t agree on outwardly observed historical facts, then there’s really no basis for conversation. [Or to put it less diplomatically, I refuse to debate outwardly observed reality and historical facts with people.] I’m going to try to sincerely communicate with you in detail about all of this, but please excuse me in advance if I ultimately step away from this exchange. With all that preamble, here are my thoughts in response to your comments.

          You said, “That said, I do not yet believe Trump harbors the degree of “racism” or “prejudice” the press ACCUSES him of.

          As I asked another commenter, how do you know what’s in Trump’s heart? I’m genuinely curious when I hear people make these sorts of statements about people that they have NO personal contact or interaction with. All I can go by are outwardly observed actions and choices regarding politicians.

          You said, “Trump came out and denounced Duke’s endorsement. And, his son said Duke “deserves a bullet”. Now, Trump’s rejection may not have been as “VOCIFEROUS” as some would have liked, but HE DID DENOUNCE him.”

          Respectfully, this is the same type of spinning the Black Obama-bots do—they spin their beloved hero’s actions into the most positive light possible. For any American leader who actually supports the values this country was founded on, disavowing the endorsement of the KKK would be an immediate, “no-brainer” reaction. Any American leader who actually supports the values this country was founded on would NOT refuse to disavow the KKK or David Duke’s endorsement the way Trump did: http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/

          You can try to spin the historical facts of this particular event during the campaign, but this refusal to disavow the Klansman’s endorsement WAS Trump’s original response. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” –Maya Angelou That first reaction—that went on some time—was one of several American values tests that Trump failed. He failed, and an attempt to clean up that failure 4-5 months later does not mitigate that failure. Any American leader–who actually supports the values this country was founded on–would NOT hesitate to disavow the KKK or David Duke’s endorsement. It would be an immediate reaction.

          *Looking to play political gang membership “tit for tat” instead of addressing the substance of an issue*

          You said, “Trump being a wealthy WM running on the Republican platform makes MANY automatically assume and believe he is “racist”. I will just point out that Clinton called Sen. Robert Byrd (a former Klansman and recruiter) “a friend and mentor”. Obama also spoke highly of him. People can “do with that” what they want.”

          It’s hard for me to respond to this because I’m not interested in “tit for tat” tabulations of friendships with outwardly observed racists accrued by the Republican gang members and the Democrat gang members. I respond based on the set of values I hold, not based on which political gang a person belongs to. Clinton and Obama befriending Klansmen does not make it correct for any other American politician to do the same.

          In another recent comment you said, “Something else I wanted to say is that A LOT of things we’ve been hearing from candidates is just “ELECTION TALK”. I SUSPECT that Trump will drop the subject of “incarcerating Hillary” (unless his supporters STRONGLY PUSH for it)–which I think HE SHOULD. He’s already spoken well of her, since the election. And, he’s said she deserves respect for all the service she’s given to this country.”

          {rhetorical question} Where have I read about such “It’s only election talk” assurances about before in history?

          From New York Times in 1922: “Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine”:
          http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-times-in-1922-hitlers-anti-semitism-was-not-so-genuine/

          “The Times wrote: “Several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.”

          The Times also quoted an unnamed politician who said Hitler was being politically deft for exaggerating his anti-Semitism.

          “You can’t expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims,” the newspaper quoted the politician as saying. “You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.”

          Two years later, on Dec. 21, 1924, the newspaper published another story with a headline that conveyed another questionable assessment of the future German chancellor: “Hitler Tamed By Prison.”

      • OLS, please delete if this is a duplicate comment. I had a problem with my laptop.

        Formavitae,

        Respectfully, it’s difficult for me to engage Obama-bots OR right-wing/conservative Blacks in serious dialogue because their communication patterns make serious communication with them verrrry difficult:

        *Cherry-picking and “spinning” reality.* It’s hard to talk to people who have their own partisan set of purported facts. If conversation participants can’t agree on outwardly observed historical facts, then there’s really no basis for conversation. [Or to put it less diplomatically, I refuse to debate outwardly observed reality and historical facts with people.] I’m going to try to sincerely communicate with you in detail about all of this, but please excuse me in advance if I ultimately step away from this exchange. With all that preamble, here are my thoughts in response to your comments.

        You said, “That said, I do not yet believe Trump harbors the degree of “racism” or “prejudice” the press ACCUSES him of.

        As I asked another commenter, how do you know what’s in Trump’s heart? I’m genuinely curious when I hear people make these sorts of statements about people that they have NO personal contact or interaction with. All I can go by are outwardly observed actions and choices regarding politicians.

        You said, “Trump came out and denounced Duke’s endorsement. And, his son said Duke “deserves a bullet”. Now, Trump’s rejection may not have been as “VOCIFEROUS” as some would have liked, but HE DID DENOUNCE him.”

        Respectfully, this is the same type of spinning the Black Obama-bots do—they spin their beloved hero’s actions into the most positive light possible. For any American leader who actually supports the values this country was founded on, disavowing the endorsement of the KKK would be an immediate, “no-brainer” reaction. Any American leader who actually supports the values this country was founded on would NOT refuse to disavow the KKK or David Duke’s endorsement the way Trump did: http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/

        You can try to spin the historical facts of this particular event during the campaign, but this refusal to disavow the Klansman’s endorsement WAS Trump’s original response. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” –Maya Angelou That first reaction—that went on some time—was one of several American values tests that Trump failed. He failed, and an attempt to clean up that failure 4-5 months later does not mitigate that failure. Any American leader–who actually supports the values this country was founded on–would NOT hesitate to disavow the KKK or David Duke’s endorsement. It would be an immediate reaction.

        *Looking to play political gang membership “tit for tat” instead of addressing the substance of an issue*

        You said, “Trump being a wealthy WM running on the Republican platform makes MANY automatically assume and believe he is “racist”. I will just point out that Clinton called Sen. Robert Byrd (a former Klansman and recruiter) “a friend and mentor”. Obama also spoke highly of him. People can “do with that” what they want.”

        It’s hard for me to respond to this because I’m not interested in “tit for tat” tabulations of friendships with outwardly observed racists accrued by the Republican gang members and the Democrat gang members. I respond based on the set of values I hold, not based on which political gang a person belongs to. Clinton and Obama befriending Klansmen does not make it correct for any other American politician to do the same. [As a side note, I’m always dismayed—and frankly frightened—when self-proclaimed religious believers engage in this behavior. Aren’t believers supposed to be using God’s values as their measuring stick? As opposed to what I’ve heard self-described Christians refer to as people “being in the flesh” about their favorite false idols.]

        In another recent comment you said, “Something else I wanted to say is that A LOT of things we’ve been hearing from candidates is just “ELECTION TALK”. I SUSPECT that Trump will drop the subject of “incarcerating Hillary” (unless his supporters STRONGLY PUSH for it)–which I think HE SHOULD. He’s already spoken well of her, since the election. And, he’s said she deserves respect for all the service she’s given to this country.”

        {rhetorical question} Well, where have I read about such “It’s only election talk” assurances about before in history?

        From New York Times in 1922: “Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine”:
        http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-times-in-1922-hitlers-anti-semitism-was-not-so-genuine/

        “The Times wrote: “Several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.”

        The Times also quoted an unnamed politician who said Hitler was being politically deft for exaggerating his anti-Semitism.

        “You can’t expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims,” the newspaper quoted the politician as saying. “You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.”

        Two years later, on Dec. 21, 1924, the newspaper published another story with a headline that conveyed another questionable assessment of the future German chancellor: “Hitler Tamed By Prison.”

    • Hi chrism31,

      I don’t think that “muledom” is tied to any particular political party or station in life. For me, part of empowerment is a black woman taking responsibility for her decisions and going in with her eyes wide open about the pros and cons. I think that many black women (not you) often give Democrats/progressives a “free pass” from scrutiny that they don’t give other groups. Everyone gets the side eye from me until I see a pattern of action that benefits me. Internal side eye, that is. Externally, I always try to project a light, upbeat vibe. 🙂

    • No. voting for HRC does nnot equal muledom. I know many people had different reasons why they voted for HRC. Those are not the people I take issue with. i take issue with the sect of bw who and this is across all lines in their daily life, toe whatever line is being fed to them by so called ‘allies’ only to be screwed over when those same groups make a mad grab for privilege with SHTF. Which is exactly what happened during this election. i bring up the election and the bw who hillary because while other groups were shopping around (in private of course while they smiled in our faces) who was going to bring THEM the most good. Black women collectively got screwed and left making the sacrifices. Everyone else turned tail and ran for the hills. Which (as i said the election is just another droop in the bucket.) is what always seems to happen. I’m not even speaking about the bw who made an informed decision to vote for hillary. But the ones who simply voted for her because other “allies” wanted them to. As one of the commenters mentioned. There is always the idea of ownership of black votes *especially* black women. In this election there was just the assumption that black women would automatically give HRC votes even though she had done NOTHING for black women in all her time in office. I find that disturbing. I actually didn’t vote for trump either so don’t think this is me saying Loose cannon trump is a great choice. I voted third party.

      Ultimately I want black women to keep their options open and make their choices because they *want to* and its best for them. *Not* because other groups are using them as a zombie voting block. Does that make any sense?

  10. Formative,

    I know! HRC and her husband did a whole lot of shucking and jiving with black people and I cannot understand how we collectively closed our eyes to it? Remember the cartoon that everyone thought was so offensive that showed HRC in blackface carrying a large purse that said she had hot sauce in it? Yes, I admit I rolled, lol! I got the message, and it was true, her racial pandering was beyond over the top. Mrs. O even said “Hillary is my girl!” at a rally..now I never side-eyed Mrs. O, but we all know how she feels about her after the 2008 campaign….👀

    The guy in the barber shop chair looks terribly uncomfortable. And we claim to know racism and stereotypes when we see them..I guess a lot of us had on rose colored sunglasses.

      • That’s the cartoon, I was trying to go off memory. They also began appropriating Janet Jackson’s “nasty boys” after the “nasty woman” comment.

        I guess this mess worked.

        On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Not Your Girl Friday wrote:

        > Formavitae commented: “I didn’t see the cartoon you mentioned. But, I just > found one with her wearing a “No hot sauce. No peace” tshirt and another > with her wearing blonde braids like Dolezal. http://balleralert.com/wp- > content/uploads/2016/10/IMG_6192.jpg” >

  11. You preached a word. I wasn’t in the 94%. MANY Bw were, because 94% of bw decision making is based on emotion and religious style faith in folks. Never on practicality, herstory, or with THEIR BEST INTERESTS at heart. Clinton made us no promises, never really paid any attention until the end. BW still operate on that “your people died for you to vote”bs too. I am organizing a call for the sisters on the Infrastructure of Sisterhood…. cuz let me tell you, I want NO KIN with them 94%……. quality value, willingness to heed wisdom and sound advice, this is what i court in my relationships now. White women have NEVER represented that to me… and now, 94% of bw don’t either. yikes.

  12. Another potentially negative fall-out from this election, is that I doubt it is lost on most people, that you can lose 94% of the BW vote, even when said BW demographic still had the highest turnout of all groups, and still win the election. This goes beyond the usual trope of the Dems winning large with the black vote, but not necessarily winning in the end. I believe that it has all come full circle now, that you can win 94% of your most loyal voting base, and still lose!, as long as it is BW votes in question. If Clinton had won 94% of any other demographic (probably also excluding BM), today, she would be the president-elect.

    In the immediate aftermath of the election, I was reading a few articles about BW political operatives (not surprisingly, every single one of them was a Democrat). One of these women had relayed a story of how when the results were announced, she was talking to another depressed-looking young BW, and this woman complained that the results made her feel like her vote (as a BW), didn’t count. The BW political operative assured her that it did, and she mentioned in the article that they have to continue mobilising more BW (to vote Dem, obviously), so that they can see that their vote does have an impact. I thought to myself, why does every single effort to get BW to act or do something in anyway to achieve any goal always begin and end with them having to ‘mobilise’ in one way or another. I rarely ever see that word used in relation to other people. Just think of what image comes to mind when you hear/read that word, ‘mobilise’. I don’t know about others, but I see images in my head of people being encouraged to march, go door-to-door, ‘engage’ with/against others, get into heated ‘debate’/back-and-forth on social media, etc. Basically, always in some sort of semi-battle mode.

    I have seen so many Black folks on twitter trudging out that 94% figure (whilst conveniently ignoring the 13% figure of BM who voted Trump), as if to say “see, BW held up their part of the bargain, all of y’all did not”. I think that many BW assume that the way they are interpreting things in their head is the same way everyone else is. So while many BW are seeing this as proof that they are the only ones who really care about ‘issues’, I suspect that many others are, in the back of their minds, starting to think that maybe, just maybe, it really is a waste of time trying to garner the bulk of BW votes seeing as, when it came to crunch time, winning such a large proportion of that demographic still meant nothing!

  13. @Sheri Slavery is not the cause. It goes back much further than that to Africa and it’s indigenous culture of mule-ing BW and the physical/mental and spiritual enslavement of BW.

    And it goes back much further than 300 years, more like thousands of years. Patriarchy in africa doesn’t work like white or asian patriarchy where the WM or AM does the bulk of the labour in exchange for dominating women, in the african system the BW does most of the physical laboring and still gets owned & oppressed by her men. This is why the african woman as a beast of burden is celebrated by BM as the symbol of Africa. It symbolises our ancient degradation and subjugation by them:
    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2012/aug/30/water-sanitation-priorities-african-governments

    Breuklelen Bleu calls it the pymparchy because unlike the WM, AM or Arab man’s patriarchy, the African man’s system works more like a pimp and his hoes.
    The African ‘patriarch’ marries multiple wives and instead of working hard to provide for them all, instead works them like mules whilst breeding them like animals. It’s an abomination against the natural order/Goddess and the real reason Africa is now cursed to be enslaved, raped and exploited by other races!

  14. Interesting discussion ladies. I’m not surprised by the amount of BW who voted for Hillary Clinton. We were after all deemed her “firewall” during the primaries. The shock and awe rippling through BW centered spaces on social media, reminds me of the curtain being ripped away to reveal that the great Oz was indeed a fraud. OLS is right, if BW don’t get it now, after this election, then they never will.

    Khadijah called this months ago and BWE has been sounding the alarm on all these issues coming to a head over a decade ago.

    Here is a link that I think is worth sharing:

    Simone56 from Youtube always coming through with the truth.

  15. Something else I wanted to say is that A LOT of things we’ve been hearing from candidates is just “ELECTION TALK”. I SUSPECT that Trump will drop the subject of “incarcerating Hillary” (unless his supporters STRONGLY PUSH for it)–which I think HE SHOULD. He’s already spoken well of her, since the election. And, he’s said she deserves respect for all the service she’s given to this country.

    While I didn’t vote for Hillary, I AGREE that she’s done A LOT OF GOOD for our country. She’s a VERY INTELLIGENT and HARDWORKING WOMAN. THE SAME GOES FOR BARACK. HE, TOO, is VERY INTELLIGENT AND HARDWORKING. I disagree with Barack because he is FAR TOO “LIBERAL” for my tastes, as I am somewhat “Conservative”. And, I also feel like he gave AAs NOTHING “SUBSTANTIVE” in return for their support over the last 8 years. I can DISAGREE with a person while still acknowledging their positive qualities and giving them credit they’ve EARNED.

    Trump does not have a “PASS” to do ANYTHING HE WANTS just because he won the Presidency. WE DO have a system of “checks and balances”. Many of his goals will likely be “tempered”, “adjusted”, or “abandoned”, for pragmatic reasons. If he “builds the wall”, tackles illegal immigration, and stops the U.S. From getting “SCREWED OVER” in trade deals, I’LL BE HAPPY.

    I, personally, believe Trump *LOVES* the United States as *I* do. And, that was VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. I spent quite a bit of time considering whether or not to support him. I bought and listened to his audiobook “Crippled America”. While I didn’t agree with ALL of his opinions, I liked MANY of his ideas. I liked them enough to change my party registration so I could vote for him in the primaries. I’ve attended a Trump rally and had ZERO PROBLEMS. I’ve followed his campaign CLOSELY and monitored his behavior and responsiveness to his constituency.

    I, actually, like Trump A LOT. THAT doesn’t mean my analysis is “correct”. I’m not omniscient. ONLY GOD IS. But, I didn’t make the decision to vote for him HAPHAZARDLY. I think VERY FEW PEOPLE approached THIS particular election in such a manner. We just have to respect the “SINCERITY” of each others’ intents and accept the fact that we do NOT ALL reach the “SAME CONCLUSIONS”.

    • Ummm… if the same republicans who won’t repudiate adding a white supremacist (Steve Bannon) into an advisory role are controlling the house, senate and, more than likely, the Supreme Court, who’s gon check him boo? There are literally only 8 ppl on the Supreme Court right now, because the republicans refused to hold confirmation hearings for Merrick Garland…I have heard no talk of how Democrats are going to stall appointments and other actions by the future president and his republican colleagues. In fact, it seems like they are trying to move towards the right to appeal to “white working class voters”….despite the fact that white ppl of all income groups are the only group that voted for Trump in such large numbers…Some of these people, including many members of the press, seem afraid of him and unwilling to challenge him. Other people seem more than happy with his untempered ideas and are remaining silent.

      Incarceration of an opponent is not something WE have ever heard before as a part of election talk…that is what goes down in the Middle East and other politically unstable regions. I like hearing smart unique arguments…I think a black woman can flourish under a Trump presidency…..but these sound like talking points….Ummm, were you in the army?

      • No, I wasn’t in the army. But, I am the daughter of a veteran–a veteran who supported Sanders.

        If Trump has the “support” of Congress and the judiciary (Supreme Court), HE WON’T have much opposition. ONE thing I think many people think is that Trump has “Republican” ideology. Trump IS NOT a true Republican–and, Republicans have been SAYING SO THEMSELVES. Since I DO read commentary at a variety of sites, including “Conservative ” ones, I’ve been reading various concerns from that end of the spectrum–concerns about the changes he SHOULD make to fit the “Republican ideal” and concerns that the Republicans will undermine his agenda to help/invest in America.

        But, that said, if the Democrats (not discounting 3rd parties) have lost seats in Congress and the judiciary (OUTSIDE of the Supreme Court), WHOSE FAULT IS THAT? They’ve had the Presidency for the last eight years. They instituted a variety of policies that were more “liberal” than we’ve seen in the past. If the majority of the country IS HAPPY with the results, then we should see MORE support for them around the country. If the country was CONTENT with their leadership, they WOULD have more positions in Congress with which to OPPOSE any measures of Trump they deemed “UNSUITABLE “. In the past, when the country has been “upset” with Republican “leadership”, they have voted a Democratic MAJORITY into Congress. IT HAPPENS. It goes “BACK AND FORTH”. SOMETIMES, the President has the “support” of the other two branches. Sometimes, THEY DON’T. At THE END of the day, the American electorate (those who participated) are the ones who voted “one way or another”.

        I’ve never heard of incarceration mentioned during an election, EITHER. THEN AGAIN, I’ve never heard of a primary candidate being under the INVESTIGATION OF THE FBI. And, let’s remember it was Hillary’s OWN actions and decisions that got her INTO this “mess”. It’s not like the FBI was investigating her based upon media “fabrications” and “innuendos”. Hillary only has HERSELF to blame. FURTHERMORE, the Democrats and Republicans only have THEMSELVES to blame for Americans being “FED UP” with traditional politicians and candidates.

        The Democrats are looking at “working class whites” because ignoring that constituency COST THEM THE ELECTION. Fact is LOTS of people in this country are “working class”. BERNIE “spoke” to the working class. TRUMP DID TOO. At the end of the day, MOST states supported the candidate they believed would prioritize the needs of American CITIZENS over the needs of the “globalist agenda”. I DID TOO. *I*, personally, shared the same opinion as Ann in the video I linked below in which she is being laughed at for saying Trump had the best chances of winning the election of all of the candidates in the Republican primaries. (She WAS RIGHT, btw.). SANDERS would have been a better candidate for the Presidency and would have been more difficult for Trump to defeat (though THIS election was ALSO “tight”).

        At the end of the day, the 2016 election is over. Someone wins. And, someone loses. THIS year, Hillary lost, and Trump won. Again, I don’t believe Trump is going to press hard to “lock her up”, but WE’LL SEE. And, I HOPE Trump does a good job for ALL of the American people.

        • Hi Formavitae,

          I came across a far left (her words) vlogger who voted for Sanders, but is urging blacks to remain calm and make plans. She also mentioned in one of her other videos that it doesn’t say much about the Democratic party if their most loyal constituency (blacks) are shaking in their boots at the thought of a Trump presidency. In my view, they (Dem party officials) are all still alive and in possession of more resources than most Americans. Can’t they use those resources in defense of their most loyal voting bloc? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikL8kyhVUo

          I feel like if all these progressive whites were as concerned about racism as they claim, they would have already contributed to an Underground Railroad type of structure to help all their beloved colored friends, Trump or no Trump.

          I think the main pain we are hearing is not about real racism, but the image that progressives have of themselves as ‘post-racial’ masters of the universe. Similar to the way that many whites who loved Harper Lee and her book *To Kill a Mockingbird* hated the recently discovered ‘sequel’, which paints Atticus in a more racist (realistic?) light. Anyway, I am happy that some whites have discovered racism, and look forward to their response, beyond calling on blacks and spray painting things.

        • Hello, poweredbyjoy. 🙂

          I LOVED that vid and COSIGNED IT ALL THE WAY! If I could give her a “HIGH FIVE”, I WOULD!

          THANKS FOR SHARING.

          What I’ve heard of this Bannon is that he is “anti-Semitic”. I know there’s more, but this is how I feel about certain white MEN (notice, the women are NEVER mentioned) being “white nationalists”:

          SINCE WHEN have White’s NOT been “white nationalists “? That’s the primary state of the MAJORITY of the world TO BE “nationalist”. MOST INDIANS are Indian/Hindu nationalists. MOST PAKISTANIS are Pakistani nationalists. MOST CHINESE are Chinese nationalists. MOST MEXICANS are Mexican Nationalists. EVEN BJORK supports protecting ONE’S OWN identity, heritage and language.

          WHAT do people think all of those wars between England, France, and Spain were about? WHAT do people,think the American Revolution was about? WHAT do people think the CIVIL WAR was about? “NATIONALISM” was at the heart of EACH AND EVERY CONFLICT (whether “conquering” foreign lands came into play OR NOT).

          People need to stop talking about “white (or any OTHER kind of) nationalism” as if it’s SOMETHING “BRAND NEW”. If a white person DOES happen to yell, “Go back to Africa,” haven’t they been telling us the SAME THING for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. Yet, WE’RE STILL HERE–MANY of us THRIVING.

          And, on this whole “oppression of POC”-tip, I REMEMBER the things I learned about discrimination and oppression of darker POC in Asia, Latin America, Africa. I REMEMBER hearing about the OPPRESSION by the hands of the Japanese during war from a Korean “Comfort Woman” (FROM HER OWN MOUTH, btw). I REMEMBER all the stories AAs tell of being “discriminated against” in the shops of Asians, Arabs, and Hispanics.

          What about ALL OF THAT?

          As far as I’M concerned, Donald Trump just saved AAs from becoming PERMANENT “SLAVES” to these “WANNAbe White” (WBW) POC. But, since AAs only like ONE NARRATIVE of oppression (that of the “rich, racist, powerful WM”), they don’t see or APPRECIATE it.

          AAs LOVE to identify and RAIL AGAINST a “racist WM). What about the RACIST “OTHERS”? FURTHERMORE, a lot of this “nationalist SENTIMENT” is springing up because people ARE TIRED of bombs going off at their marathons, being shot up in nightclubs, being terrorized in their own countries, and having immigrants come into their countries trying to establish “mini societies” of their own to THE EXCLUSION of the native, BLOOD-INVESTED citizenry. People ARE TIRED of NON-citizens utilizing laws to infringe upon and limit the legitimate rights of CITIZENS. This “frustration” and “bitterness” has A SOURCE, and IT ISN’T just “RACISM”.

          I’M GLAD Ashe talked about Trump not even being in office and SO MANY PEOPLE talking against him and “burning their bridges” with him. These people WANT him to be “racist”, “exclusionary”, “a failure”, etc. They want to rule out even A REMOTE possibility that he is willing to work with and consider constituencies outside of the “white collective”.

          AGAIN, what about the Hispanic gangs INTENTIONALLY assaulting/killing and “running out” many AAs in California? I’m sure PLENTY of them mofos are ILLEGAL, yet we AAs are more concerned about protecting THEIR interests rather than OUR OWN. THANK GOD, TRUMP has the sense to know THEY NEED *TO GO*.

          And, MANY white Americans would be willing to stand with AAs against the crime/criminals in their communities, if AAs weren’t always so “PROTECTIONIST” of any male with BLACK SKIN. Since AAs would rather cry “RACISM” against those trying to maintain some SEMBLANCE of a “normal, safe society”, they leave AAs alone to deal with the problems on THEIR OWN. AND, when AAs are left ALONE, they holler that “NOBODY CARES”. You “JUST CAN’T WIN”, which is why many people STOP TRYING. AAs WILL TRULY “be up the river without a paddle” when others decide to COMPLETELY withdraw fromAA affairs regardless of whether “said decision” takes the AA community “UP or DOWN”.

    • I think there was even a Law and Order episode where a Coulter-type character was being stalked and getting death threats, lol. Watching this clip made me feel like I was in a sci-fi flick where I can see the past and the future and have to decide how to alter the timeline without erasing myself from existence! 🙂 The bw journalist here is named Joy something, and took Melissa Harris Perry’s spot on MSNBC. I only saw her for the first time last week, when the news was playing in another room. I heard a female anchor’s voice become increasingly high pitched and agitated, and left the kitchen to see what was the matter. It was this Joy person ranting and raving about Trump, while the two Arab-American guests/pundits spoke in calm, measured tones, emphasizing the positive support they were getting from some whites, the ways they would move forward as a community, etc. The camera would pan back to Joy, who would resume foaming at the mouth. Why, why, why? Why reinforce the ABW stereotype yet again? Anyway, Anne called it, they have to give her that.

      • MANY people “hate” Ann, but she is VERY INSIGHTFUL. Since she is white, skinny, blonde, “untempered”, utilizes a “Conservative” platform, a lot of people don’t want to acknowledge the LEGITIMACY of what she has to say, and they just write her off as “racist”.

        UNFORTUNATELY, may AA women have taken on the identity of “VALIANT DEFENDER of Social Justice”. I’ve noticed many foreign Muslims want mainstream Western society to view them and their beliefs as being ” compatible” rather than “oppositional”. Here’s the example of a Liberal, immigrant, Muslim woman who decided to vote for Trump and the treatment she received from her Liberal “cohorts” after she was PUBLIBLY HONEST about her decision:

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2016/11/10/im-a-muslim-a-woman-and-an-immigrant-i-voted-for-trump/?utm_term=.abda4f08bbaa

        http://nytlive.nytimes.com/womenintheworld/2016/11/10/silent-trump-voter-a-muslim-woman-faces-backlash-after-outing-herself-in-washington-post-column/

        http://www1.cbn.com/content/liberals-bash-brown-faced-muslim-woman-who-voted-trump

        And, I noticed that in her video interview, she talked about her “gentle calling”. HER WORDS.

        NOTICE, AA women, OTHER groups of women who aren’t even from AMERICAN SOIL are trying to be “EMBRACED”.

        Just heard her say “compassionate middle path that we’re talking about”.

        “Back” and “SIT DOWN” BW.

        She’s speaking of the right to leave”identity politics” and “groupthink” in such a SOFT and GENTLE tone of voice.

        • I’m familiar with Asra Nomani. Years ago, I read her book Standing Alone in Mecca: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam. I also read her accounts of her battles against sex-based segregation in the mosque.

          I would advocate extreme caution about assigning much credibility to any Muslim who would ever appear on a network like CBN (The Christian Broadcasting Network). Because there’s a pattern with the very small number of Muslims who allow themselves and their words to be used by Christian fundamentalists as propaganda weapons against other Muslims. [Interestingly, this pattern is very similar to the pattern with Ward Connerly-type Black folks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Connerly He did a lot of damage to African-Americans’ long-term interests.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_209#Effect_on_enrollment_and_graduation_rates%5D

          Anyhoo, the overall profile of folks like Asra Nomani (and Somali-born writer Ayaan Hirsi Ali) is: (1) extremely alienated from her own people (in Ms. Nomani’s case because she had an out-of-wedlock child—no matter what religion they are, East Indians and Pakistanis don’t play that oow stuff); (2) some deep-seated (and often legitimate) grievances/vendettas against her own people; and (3) cloaking what appears to be a desire for personal revenge against her own people under the guise of wanting to “reform Islam.”

          Muslims who allow themselves to be used like that by fundamentalist Christians are usually in the process of falling *out* of the religion. Allowing themselves to be used by fundamentalist Christians to put out anti-Islam and anti-Muslim propaganda is often one stop along the road to ultimately becoming a self-described atheist (like Ayaan Hirsi Ali) or converting to Christianity. That’s the pattern.

          All of the above makes it more difficult for sincerely progressive Muslims and Muslims who are intellectually honest enough to speak out against extremism, etc. The dynamics are similar to how Uncle Ruckus-type Blacks make it harder for a self-loving African-American person to be openly critical of the dysfunctional aspects of the African-American collective. Uncle Ruckus-type behavior serves to discredit what might otherwise be a factually correct criticism.

          Because I tell the plain truth–warts and all–about various topics (to the best of my knowledge and ability), I’ve had White people who are involved with Jewish organizations and Christian evangelical organizations approach me about coming to speak at some of their functions. I’ve always declined those invitations because I know what the real agenda is. They would like to use me (and my willingness to refrain from religious team/gang behavior and speak the plain truth) as a propaganda weapon against Islam and against other Muslims.

          NO. I refuse to be pimped and used. I tell the truth because it’s the correct thing to do. Not because I want to lash out against and cause pain to other Muslims. Another thing is that so far those invitations have only come from a certain type of Jewish organization member or Christian evangelical—the ones that give off right wing and extremely bigoted vibes. The more decent ones aren’t shopping around specifically in search of a Muslim who will say critical/negative things about the Muslim collective.

        • Khadija,

          I’ve never read her book and actually never heard of her until I saw her article about being an immigrant Muslim who voted for Trump. I didn’t even realize she classifies herself as “Liberal” until I searched for her article today.

          I viewed her statements as more of a criticism of treatment from “Liberals” (MANY of whom tend to be white) versus treatment from fellow Muslims. But, that’s because I was probably focusing on the “Liberal” aspect versus the “Muslim” aspect (in keeping with my observations/criticisms of the way several “open-minded” Liberals react to people who “venture off the designated path”).

          Overall, I DO notice a difference in “tenor” between the way many visible women from “outside” groups present themselves/their issues and the way AA WOMEN present themselves and their issues. AA women need to start coming across as “soft, feminine/delicate apologists” rather than “ATTACK DOGS” on whom the REST of society thinks they need to call “Animal Control”.

        • Formavitae,

          I’m disappointed in Ms. Nomani in general for allowing herself to be pimped and used by evangelical Christians.

          I’m extremely disappointed with her in particular for allowing herself to be pimped and used to help ease a path that could end up in internment camps for Muslim Americans. IIRC, this so-called registry of Japanese-Americans was one of the first steps toward them being forced into internment camps during WWII. A “SOFT and GENTLE tone of voice” is not a virtue if it’s used to grease the path to internment camps.

        • I’m REALLY HOPING there are no moves to establish internment camps. I WILL be honest AND SAY I could see something like that gaining more support if bombings and murders CONTINUE TO RISE on U.S. soil. Muslims around the world, AND in the U.S. are going to have to “root out” and DEAL with these EXTREMISTS, if they don’t want the rest of their population to suffer. These extremists are “pitting” the Islamic community “against the rest of the world”. I DON’T WANT to see any more wars or persecutions of populations. But, it’s similar to the AA problem: If YOU don’t “reign in” your problem population, you are going to cause ALL of you people TO SUFFER.

          People ALSO need to “be real” about the “congruence” between them and some of the societies they seek to inhabit. IF YOU don’t want to abide by the laws, customs, etc. of a particular society, you should live in one whose values MORE CLOSELY “REFLECT YOURS”. There are A LOT of tensions “simmering under the surface” right now–ALL OVER the globe. I’M REALLY HOPING they don’t “ERUPT”.

        • Formavitae, I agree with you concerning what is happening re: these terrorists actions resulting in a situation of Islam vs. the world. And I cannot pretend to be shocked at Khadijas worries of a Japanese-style internment camp for Muslims, only because it has happened before, and I suspect that most Japanese-Americans did not see it coming.

          I have my views on Trump (mostly that he is a buffoon that if he hadn’t had a rich daddy, he would be hawking counterfeit wares on the streets of New York), but I still despise Hillary, because I knew from the outset that she was no friend to black folks. My irritation with many in the Muslim community is with their refusal to really police their own, which is what has allowed this ‘home-grown’ terror problem to fester. The one difference between America and other western nations is that America is the one country that had a significant number of Muslim citizens that weren’t migrants or children of migrants. Most of these American Muslims were AA. Now these foreign Muslims have brought their own cultural BS, grievances etc., and convinced some other native Muslims and other non-Arab Muslim converts, who really, should have no interest in these peoples specific ethnic and regional beefs, to take up arms, both literally and in a religious sense, in support of them.

          I really hope that the public image of these terrorists remains predominantly middle-eastern, as I have noticed that whenever they want to bring someone to say some incendiary BS, they always manage to find a Black Imam to come on TV and start equivocating about condemning terrorism. Funny that when it’s time to talk unity, or play the ‘moderate muslim’ role, or show how Islam is not incompatible with western values, they (the immigrant Muslim community), always want to put themselves forward as the face. Muslims in the Middle-East have been fighting each other and the West for decades, AA Muslims were in America all this time. How come we never heard of any of them blowing ish up or wanting to terrorise random folks in the name of religion, even though Black folks have far more reason to want to ‘hate’ America/the West than anyone else? Over the past year, I can recall at least three incidents of terror on American soil, where the culprit was a native born BM. And I think to myself, hold on, y’all didn’t see fit to ‘beef’ with your government or country after all they did to your people, but you are willing to take up arms and die for what ever is going on in the Middle-East, or whatever war you think your government is engaging in with Muslims. I have seen some instances where Arab/Asian Muslims try to paint Islamic terror as a black thing (smh?), all clearly in a bid to divert any harsh government/police/law & order treatment away from their communities and onto Black folks. I remember an instance of a Pakistani man referring to some bombers as ‘Black thugs’, even though only 1 of them was Black, and the rest (about 3 or 4) were of Southern Asian/Middle-Eastern heritage. Not a single one of the other Middle-Easter/Asian Muslims on the panel corrected him, so I knew it was planned.

          I have taken note of the cabinet picks that Trump has made, and so far, it hasn’t given me any real hope that he is going to govern in a way that is not destructive. There are many who will try and push through legislation or policies that in any other instance, they would not get away with. If GWB was able to get the Patriot act signed because the country was at war, I shudder to think what Trump would do.

        • JaliliMaster,

          I, PERSONALLY, believe it’s “REALLY COMING DOWN TO BRASS TACKS”.

          *I* care about affirmative action, civil rights, etc. But, the way I’M looking at is, if AAs REALLY want to see what “oppression/disenfranchisement” of blacks looks like, LOSE AMERICA (United States). Then, you WILL SEE the privileges you had nationally and internationally SIMPLY because of your “U.S. Citizen” STATUS. Once you lose THAT, WHAT OTHER incentive will these “black-hating” groups have to treat you any differently from THEIR OWN.

          From what I (LIGHTLY) understand, the Nation of Islam and international/Orthodox Islam are not “the same thing”. I’M CHRISTIAN, so I don’t “get into all of that”, but I think some AA blacks are getting “sucked into” the grievances of groups WHO ALSO have a “history of enslaving blacks” (past AND present). I want the face of Islamic terrorism to remain “INTERNATIONAL “. I didn’t just say “Middle Eastern” because there are Somalians in on it too and also Nigerians and others. I thought it was quite “funny” when I heard that ISIS wasn’t interested in joining forces with “Boko Haram”. HMMM….I WONDER WHY….. NOT!

          I know MAAAANY WONDERFUL PEOPLE from other countries, groups, religions. But, I’ve come to realize that “CITIZENSHIP”/”being a part of a country” ISN’T JUST about “laws” or “a piece of paper”. TRUE citizenship/identification with a country entails a “BLOOD INVESTMENT”. I’ll give one example.

          My best friend is Asian and Muslim. She and her family came over as refugees of the Vietnam War. Now, my grandmother had TWO sons over fighting in Vietnam. One was in the army. The other was in the Marines (my dad). If you’ve ever been to Washington D.C., you can see the memorial with the names of the soldiers who DIED or NEVER CAME HOME. My friend’s brother joined the U.S. Military. You know what they told him? They told him that if he were to get caught in the Middle East to PRETEND he was one of the people since he looked like them. WHAT DOES THAT tell you about “loyalty”, “citizenship “, and “identified “. I WAS VERY offended by that, since COUNTLESS AMERICANS died, lost their family lineages fighting a war that saved PEOPLE who, when given a chance, WOULD HIDE rather than DIE FOR THIS COUNTRY. Not TO MENTION all of the NEGATIVE things I’ve listened to her dad say about this country over the years. THIS country that likely saved his family’s lives. THIS country that provided them food, clothing, shelter, and security. THIS country that provided educational opportunities, as well as affirmative action, scholarships, and business opportunities. THIS nation OF CHRISTIANS. I recently told her that it WAS CHRISTIANS and A “CHRISTIAN” country that saved her family from the acts of OTHER ASIANS. NOT Islamic countries. NOT Muslims. CHRISTIANS (PREDOMINANTLY speaking, OF COURSE ). She didn’t like that. And, I know it hurt her feelings, but MY feelings are HURT TOO. She told me she prefers not to discuss politics with me, which I think is a good idea.

          CONTINUING with the “BLOOD INVESTMENT” line of thought, MOST societies have had MAJOR blood shed in their establishment. But, THINK of it…MUCH of the fighting and bloodshed occurred between people with a SIMILAR HISTORY, SIMILAR LANGUAGE, SIMILAR RELIGION, SIMILAR PHYSICAL APPEARANCE. If people who have THIS MUCH IN COMMON will battle each other, WHAT do you think they are willing to mount AGAINST YOU, an “OUTSIDER”.

          Blood IS “thicker than water “.

          THIS ALSO highlights a distinction between “HOME” and “HAVEN”. A “HAVEN” (safe place) can vary and change from location to location. But, “HOME” is TRULY “where the heart is”. It retains a type of “love” and “loyalty” that is INDEPENDENT OF CIRCUMSTANCES. For MANY people, the U.S. is a HAVEN. AS such, those people will find it easier to abandon the country and its causes whenever they feel circumstances dictate. But, there are OTHERS who, since they VIEW the U.S. As HOME, they are willing to fight and even DIE for it. My friend LOVES the U.S., but she isn’t willing TO DIE for it. I had a patient who has cancer, and she looked like she was in the later stages. There was a CNN news story about some terrorist act on tv, and she said something to the effect that she may be small, but she STILL can/will get up AND FIGHT. THAT’S the difference between “citizenship by blood/heart” and “citizenship by paper”.

          I wasn’t researching it extensively, but I did see that while the Pakistani government DID allow people to get (some type of “legalizing”) papers based upon marriage to a Pakista I national/person of Pakistani origin. They said that option is NO LONGER AVAILABLE. THE ONLY people who can get that are people who are Pakistani/of Pakistani blood or have a parent of Pakistani origin. OTHER societies DO NOT PLAY when it comes to the identity of their people and their country or the provision of “rights”. And, REMEMBER, these are “POC”.

          One (no TWO) more observations/comments. When I go to my friend’s house, I take my shoes off because that’s the practice/expectation in their home. My friend doesn’t care that my religion, culture, ethnicity, family, etc. don’t require me to take off my shoes,when I enter the house. She expects (REQUIRES) me to do it ANYWAY. I’m not “bothered”, as I wear “house shoes” for the same purpose. But, there are those of her faith who want to “argue” that they shouldn’t be required to remove their hijab or burqas for photo ID because it violates their “culture, religion, etc.”. If one can have such rights over the domain of their OWN HOMES, CAN’T A COUNTRY have such rights over the domain of ITS NATION? And, secondly, I HIGHLY DOUBT that if some homeless (but respectable, helpful, kind, resourceful) people moved into my friend’s home without her awareness and LIVED there she would automatically add their names to the deed of HER house WHEN SHE paid the mortgage. I wanted to present this hypothetical situation to her. But, I haven’t. And, now’s NOT THE TIME.

          I voted to PRESERVE OUR COUNTRY. EFFORTS may FAIL, but MY “HEART” is HERE.

        • JaliliMaster,

          I waiting to see/investigate the people Trump decides to add to his Cabinet/”put in power”.

          From what I’ve been hearing so far (though TIME WILL provide more details) it sounds like Trump wants to DESTROY ISIS/terrorists who threaten the U.S., then get out of the Middle East/foreign government affairs PERIOD. I think Trump is tired of the economic investment and wants to direct that back to the U.S. If the U.S./Western nations DO “pull out” of these other countries and their affairs, the people will have to face the realities of THEIR OWN culture, religion, government, etc. THEY will have to make the investments and determination about their fate. The FRENCH did it. The U.S. COLONISTS did it. The HAITIAN SLAVES did it. LOTS of societies have done it. It may NOW be “THEIR turn” TOO.

          But, IF they are “left alone” with no one but themselves, maybe they will have a different “perspective” on those “OTHERS” who were constantly interfering and imposing their own “wills”. Maybe the requests of those societies (like taking off your hijab for a photo ID) won’t seem so “UNREASONABLE”. OR, maybe they will think the removal of outsider influence will be “the BEST THING that EVER HAPPENED”.

          We all shall see…

        • JaliliMaster,

          Here is the site where I initially saw the info about getting Pakistani citizenship:

          http://id.nadra.gov.pk/pakistan-origin-card/

          However, when I was trying to look it up today, I saw OTHER sites on the topic. One said a child can get Pakistani citizenship if the father is a Pakistani national. But, if the father ever renounces/loses Pakistani citizenship, the child does AS WELL. Also, Pakistan DOES NOT allow “dual citizenship “. THEY MAKE YOU CHOOSE.

          I SUPPORT THIS.

          I think a big problem in the U.S. Is that we have allowed people (I’m taking historical,US. Citizens) to think being anti-US or having divided loyalties is “acceptable” or even “admirable “. (THIS even mirrors discussions groups had about the loyalty of bi/multi racial/ethnic individuals.). NOT ALL groups have “succumbed” to this self-annihilating/self-sabotaging way of thinking. It seems the U.S. And the Western world ARE ALSO moving towards this “expectation of LOYALTY”, and that’s what’s making MANY people “nervous”.

        • “From what I (LIGHTLY) understand, the Nation of Islam and international/Orthodox Islam are not “the same thing”. I’M CHRISTIAN, so I don’t “get into all of that”, but I think some AA blacks are getting “sucked into” the grievances of groups WHO ALSO have a “history of enslaving blacks” (past AND present).

          When I said ‘native-born’ Muslims, I was referring to those Muslims (predominantly AA), with ancient historical ties to the US, i.e. not migrants or children of migrants. And no, I don’t view the NOI as part of the mainstream, traditional Muslim faith, & I have met good number of AA Muslims (admittedly, most of them Sunni, a smaller handful have been Shia), to know that the NOI is not particularly representative of the traditional AA Muslim demographic.

        • I suspected there were differences. But, since I am Christian, I stay out of the distinctions/”chasms” of other groups, unless I’ve learned something directly via study or in-depth discussion with the groups themselves.

        • JaliliMaster,

          As you noted, the Nation of Islam (NOI) is *not* considered part of mainstream Islam (by either Sunni or Shia branches of the faith). Not at all. The NOI’s beliefs are as distant from mainstream Muslim beliefs as the Mormon Church’s beliefs are distant from any mainstream Christian* denomination (such as Catholic, Protestant, and the various Orthodox Churches). The Nation of Islam has core teachings and writings that mainstream Muslim “denominations” have never heard of. Similar to how the Mormon Church has the Book of Mormon as part of its scriptures–which is something that none of the mainstream Christian denominations have ever heard of.

          Frankly, the NOI is considered a cult by most mainstream Muslims who have any knowledge of NOI beliefs.

          [*For those who are curious, most of my family is Catholic; and I grew up within the Catholic Church. So I’m familiar with mainstream Catholic beliefs; and have basic familiarity with mainstream overall Christian beliefs.]

        • @Khadija Nassif This is some sick reasoning in your response; I mean really sick.

          I would advocate extreme caution about assigning much credibility to any Muslim who would ever appear on a network like CBN (The Christian Broadcasting Network). Because there’s a pattern with the very small number of Muslims who allow themselves and their words to be used by Christian fundamentalists as propaganda weapons against other Muslims.

          So you have read all these things that the woman stands for; YET the problem is that she appeared on CBN. But she also appeared on CNN? And you are essentially BLAMING them for their own alienation? Their families disowned them because they either did not believe in Islam or wanted it to change. That is the REAL reason, let’s be HONEST here, ok. And even if it was for OOW; how absurd is that anyway. Ayaan was an atheist BEFORE she became well unknown. And she appears on MOSTLY secular platforms b/c that this what she BELIEVES in. People need to STOP corning this lady to paint her as a Christian fundamentalist (which is such a bogus term; as if Christian are going around murdering people) supporter. Until the day she and other former Muslims or Muslim reformists announce that they are Christian; They are NOT. Ayaan’s collogue was MURDERED and Ayaan had to seek protection. Let that sink into your head for a second Khadija. Have some decency to argue against what they ACTUALLY stand for instead of trying to guilt them for association.

    • I cannot currently watch the video, but if it is the one where the homeless BW was being attacked on Trumps star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, I was so disgusted when I saw that. If I remember correctly, it was mostly a disgustingly gross bunch if hispanic male fools, who were attacking her and throwing this woman’s meagre possessions all over the ground. As usual, there was, typically, a negro male who was telling her why what was happening was justified, as he had warned her that if she didn’t leave, people were going to come and do something. Not surprisingly, not a single person helped, or even bothered calling the police.

      I hate these people, I really do. I thoroughly despise any user, attacker or otherwise danger to BW as a collective and any individual BW, I and wish nothing but bad for them and their clan. I will confess that whenever I see footage of these illegals and their grown anchor baby relatives protesting and marching for ‘rights’ that they are not remotely entitled to, I feel nothing but contempt!

      • Yes. IT’S THE SAME. This woman is about as “VULNERABLE” as one CAN GET (without serious illness). She’s HOMELESS. She’s PETITE. She’s BLACK. She’s OLDER. She’s A WOMAN. WHAT MORE does it take to “BACK OFF” from someone. There’s been lots of fighting back and forth, but to see this happen to an older, homeless lady REALLY shows the “lack of empathy ” many “open minded Liberals” POSSESS.

      • “I will confess that whenever I see footage of these illegals and their grown anchor baby relatives protesting and marching for ‘rights’ that they are not remotely entitled to, I feel nothing but contempt!”

        JaliliMaster,

        I feel the SAME WAY, TOO.

      • I came across a video on twitter from an illegal immigrant advocacy group in New York. Of course they pulled a darkskinned afro-latina to put herself out there and say she was not leaving after Trump. Any other day she would not be claimed by the community, but I guess everyone like free black female labor….

        • RIGHT (about her not being claimed).

          I’m just hoping the Trump administration follows through/is able to on withholding federal funding from “sanctuary cities”. This unlawful enabling of illegal immigration NEEDS TO STOP. And, I stated “unlawful” enabling, because I understand the history of Hispanic migrant workers in the agricultural industry. My sentiments are not directed towards them. But, though it doesn’t sound like the “nice person”/”kumbaya” thing to do, I believe we need to take matters of immigration and national security SERIOUSLY. And, I think building a wall, enforcing E verify, and deporting criminals are an EXCELLENT START.

    • I watched that video a few days before the election and felt so disgusted. I remember this clip of a black woman being shoved and pushed at a Trump rally. How is this any different?

      • There’s NO DIFFERENCE in the intolerance. I’m just pointing out the way “Liberals” (the “free thinkers”, supporters of minorities and women, etc) treat BW when we don’t do what they EXPECT us to do.

        • I am agreeing with you Formavitae. When the video of the incident at the Trump rally was released, everyone was talking about racism and how it reminded them of things that would happen 50 years ago. Yet were so silent and the media didn’t care when it was liberals doing it and assaulting this black woman.

  16. OLS, please delete if this is a duplicate comment. I had a problem with my laptop.

    Formavitae,

    Respectfully, it’s difficult for me to engage Obama-bots OR right-wing/conservative Blacks in serious dialogue because their communication patterns make serious communication with them verrrry difficult:

    *Cherry-picking and “spinning” reality.* It’s hard to talk to people who have their own partisan set of purported facts. If conversation participants can’t agree on outwardly observed historical facts, then there’s really no basis for conversation. [Or to put it less diplomatically, I refuse to debate outwardly observed reality and historical facts with people.] I’m going to try to sincerely communicate with you in detail about all of this, but please excuse me in advance if I ultimately step away from this exchange. With all that preamble, here are my thoughts in response to your comments.

    You said, “That said, I do not yet believe Trump harbors the degree of “racism” or “prejudice” the press ACCUSES him of.

    As I asked another commenter, how do you know what’s in Trump’s heart? I’m genuinely curious when I hear people make these sorts of statements about people that they have NO personal contact or interaction with. All I can go by are outwardly observed actions and choices regarding politicians.

    You said, “Trump came out and denounced Duke’s endorsement. And, his son said Duke “deserves a bullet”. Now, Trump’s rejection may not have been as “VOCIFEROUS” as some would have liked, but HE DID DENOUNCE him.”

    Respectfully, this is the same type of spinning the Black Obama-bots do—they spin their beloved hero’s actions into the most positive light possible. For any American leader who actually supports the values this country was founded on, disavowing the endorsement of the KKK would be an immediate, “no-brainer” reaction. Any American leader who actually supports the values this country was founded on would NOT refuse to disavow the KKK or David Duke’s endorsement the way Trump did: http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/

    You can try to spin the historical facts of this particular event during the campaign, but this refusal to disavow the Klansman’s endorsement WAS Trump’s original response. “When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.” –Maya Angelou That first reaction—that went on some time—was one of several American values tests that Trump failed. He failed, and an attempt to clean up that failure 4-5 months later does not mitigate that failure. Any American leader–who actually supports the values this country was founded on–would NOT hesitate to disavow the KKK or David Duke’s endorsement. It would be an immediate reaction.

    *Looking to play political gang membership “tit for tat” instead of addressing the substance of an issue*

    You said, “Trump being a wealthy WM running on the Republican platform makes MANY automatically assume and believe he is “racist”. I will just point out that Clinton called Sen. Robert Byrd (a former Klansman and recruiter) “a friend and mentor”. Obama also spoke highly of him. People can “do with that” what they want.”

    It’s hard for me to respond to this because I’m not interested in “tit for tat” tabulations of friendships with outwardly observed racists accrued by the Republican gang members and the Democrat gang members. I respond based on the set of values I hold, not based on which political gang a person belongs to. Clinton and Obama befriending Klansmen does not make it correct for any other American politician to do the same. [As a side note, I’m always dismayed—and frankly frightened—when self-proclaimed religious believers engage in this behavior. Aren’t believers supposed to be using God’s values as their measuring stick? As opposed to what I’ve heard self-described Christians refer to as people “being in the flesh” about their favorite false idols.]

    In another recent comment you said, “Something else I wanted to say is that A LOT of things we’ve been hearing from candidates is just “ELECTION TALK”. I SUSPECT that Trump will drop the subject of “incarcerating Hillary” (unless his supporters STRONGLY PUSH for it)–which I think HE SHOULD. He’s already spoken well of her, since the election. And, he’s said she deserves respect for all the service she’s given to this country.”

    {rhetorical question} Well, where have I read about such “It’s only election talk” assurances about before in history?

    From New York Times in 1922: “Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine”:
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-york-times-in-1922-hitlers-anti-semitism-was-not-so-genuine/

    “The Times wrote: “Several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch masses of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic, and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.”

    The Times also quoted an unnamed politician who said Hitler was being politically deft for exaggerating his anti-Semitism.

    “You can’t expect the masses to understand or appreciate your finer real aims,” the newspaper quoted the politician as saying. “You must feed the masses with cruder morsels and ideas like anti-Semitism. It would be politically all wrong to tell them the truth about where you really are leading them.”

    Two years later, on Dec. 21, 1924, the newspaper published another story with a headline that conveyed another questionable assessment of the future German chancellor: “Hitler Tamed By Prison.”

    • As far as the contents of Trump’s heart are concerned, I have already states that I am not omniscient–only God is. My statement about not believing Trump is “AS RACIST” (note–I didn’t say “RACIST”) as the media presents him to be IS because the media has been trying to VILLIFY him as an “EXTREME racist” while overlooking all of the reports and evidence of racism and bigotry from the Clinton camp. My personal opinion is that Trump has his “prejudices”, but he’s no more racist than CLINTON is.

      As far as Trump’s initial reluctance to “disavow” his support from white supremacists, I NOTES THAT TOO. I interpreted that as him trying to avoid “alienating” any potential supporters because he was a “nonconvential” candid. Do I “AGREE”? NO. But, as I said, I’ve watched and concsidered A VARIETY of things over the past year or so. Certainly, the Clinton’s shouldn’t consider it “problematic”, as they considered Byrd’s ACTUAL MEMBERSHIP and RECRUITMENT for the klan to be “understandable”.

      http://www.dailywire.com/news/8696/flashback-bill-clinton-once-justified-robert-byrds-hank-berrien

      Comparing the behaviors between a Republican politician and a Democratic politician, when discussing “portrayals” and “images” of inidividuals in the mainstream media is not endorsing a “tit for tat” or utilizing that as a “PERSONAL yardstick” rather than GOD’S yardstick. It’s mentioning and discussing variables THE MAJORITY of the “public” is considering during the election. As I have said before, I’M PROTESTANT. But, if I were to discuss/approach all events in the election as if everyone is coming from a “Protestant PERSPECTIVE”, I wouldn’t be engaging in honest or SINCERE discourse–nor would I be taking a REALISTIC LOOK at what “people” are looking at, being INFLUENCED BY, or making decisions about.

      MY reference to “ELECTION TALK” was REALLY about Trump’s mentioning of incarcerating Hillary. Since I didn’t say that FORTHRIGHTLY, people could have linked it with ANYTHING Trump has stated in the past. Now that I’ve cleared that up, I will say I DON’T believe Trump is a “Hitler”. TIME WILL TELL. But, I don’t believe Americans (and I know *I* WOULDN’T) would support MASS GENOCIDE ON AMERICAN SOIL (though SOME argue that’s what ABORTION is).

      Trump ran on a “Pro-American” platform. “AMERICAN” includes blacks, whites, Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics, multiethnic/multiracial people, gays, heterosexuals, religious, no religious, ETC. YES, he’s been HARSH about domestic/international “terrorists” and “illegals”. YES, the focus has overwhelmingly been placed on Muslims and Hispanics/Mexicans, because they are often members of those groups. HOWEVER, a “crackdown” on terrorists and illegals would cover ANY person (regardless of religion, ethnicity, background) who decides to become a “terrorist” or an “illegal alien”. Trump does not strike me as one who would give a white person who decided to join ISIS (which THERE ARE some) “A PASS” SIMPLY because they are white.

      Again, each person has their own “interpretation ” and feelings about these matters. Each person has their own “interpretation” and feelings about OTHERS and the OPINIONS of others. We will not ALL see “eye to eye” on EVERY matter. Furthermore, our views may “CONVERGE” at certain points and “DIVERGE” at others. Politics is a “VERY sensitive matter” for MANY people. SOME people can tolerate “differences of opinion”. Others CANNOT.

      My work, my lifestyle, and my advocacy SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. The truth of who I am and my personal integrity have already been REVEALED, whether others see and believe, or not. As I have been HONEST about my choices and my “thought process”, people now have “EVIDENCE” of the various “factors”, “intricacies”, and “complexities” that can exist within ONE INDIVIDUAL. People are not “programs” or “puzzles” with “perfect/ideally fitting” pieces that meet others’ expectations or outlines. I told THE TRUTH about my choice when I could HAVE LIED, knowing that my decoy/position would LIKELY be “UNPOPULAR”. I did that because I am a woman of GOOD INTEGRITY and because I wanted others who may have been “fearful” to reveal they made the same decision to know “THEY ARE NOT ALONE”.

      Again, I AM a woman of GOOD INTEGRITY. And, THIS woman of good integrity VOTED FOR TRUMP.

      I don’t know what the future holds. And, I retain the right to RESCIND my support or decide that I made A MISTAKE. TODAY, I affirm and exercise my right to VOTE WITH MY CONSCIENCE. I have respected OTHERS’ rights to DO THE SAME.

    • @Khadija Nassif here are a few videos worth considering. I agree with Formavtiae. Republicans are not as evil as the media portray them to be. They are no more evil than those accusing them of being exceptionally evil. I think they want what is best for their people (as in white people) and this could be good for black people as well if we take advantage of opportunities. For example, I was listening to the news one time (don’t remember what it was) and a conservative man said that affirmative actions should not be for all “minorities.” He said that people who come to Amercia for jobs like Indians (from India) should not be considered for affirmative action because they did not suffer like black and Native Americans in America. However the liberal guy could not get over that fact that this conservative guy did not want affirmative action for all “minorities.” Another historical example is that Lincoln saved the union (his primary focus) and this resulted in the freedom of slaves. I think that black women should turn to alternative new stations on places like Youtube for news because the news industry is EXTREMELY and MOSTLY liberal; they do not really hide it yet people still think they have credibility. I understand that our problem is with black men and white women mainly; however, does that mean we cannot listen to anything white men say? I know some black women who would NEVER listen to someone like Glenn Beck or Ted Cruz. But I think if they did or read up on history outside of normal book publishers, black women would learn a lot that will open their eyes. The left is aligned with too many evil things. It is astounding. Ultimately everything is in the hands of Jesus Christ. But evil has to be exposed. I don’t think this election was one to sit out on b/c a vote for one person meant a vote against another. As a Christian I felt this election was so vital. I do think America is a Christian nation; but is increasingly becoming anti-Christian. I am praying for America to come back to God and remain a Christian nation. I just think there are so many problems that the media does not cover that people care about. Donald won because Christina prayed like we have never prayed before. It is not so much about him than what God can do with him if he submits to God and what God can do with his church if we submit to him again. I put him and this country in the hands of God, because he and we are nothing without Christ.

      1. https://youtu.be/dg0UTFC7K14
      2. https://youtu.be/VDZcvG1yeHc
      3. https://youtu.be/5wz_0utCrm0
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      • Far Mars,

        Thank you for your thoughtful comment. You said, —-”Republicans are not as evil as the media portray them to be. They are no more evil than those accusing them of being exceptionally evil.”—-

        Respectfully, that’s not reassuring. Especially in light of the negative historical precedents regarding these particular issues. It’s safe to say that the German people of the 1930s and 1940s were “no more evil” than anybody else. Nevertheless, the masses of them allowed themselves to be drawn into supporting what can only be described as evil.

        In all candor, I don’t trust *any* right-wing/religious/conservative zealot. Because I’ve quietly observed enough such persons over time to see the ugly motivations underlying a lot of right-wing/religious/conservative zealot talk. I’m NOT saying that you or Formavitae fit into this category. I don’t know y’all like that. I’m speaking about the right-wing/religious/conservative zealots that I do know/have known personally over the years.

        Let me speak specifically about right-wing, religious zealot Black women—the women that are Church Mammies (Christians), Mosque Mammies (Muslims) and Temple Mammies (Black Hebrew Israelites). Not every BW religious believer fits into these various categories of brainwashed mammies, but many of them do. THIS is who I’m talking about in this comment—and not the religious believers who are willing to live and let others live their own lives.
        Black Church Mammies (Christians), Mosque Mammies (Muslims) and Temple Mammies (Black Hebrew Israelites) have a LOT of frustrations in their lives*.

        *Mostly revolving around the fact that the BM in their houses of worship generally don’t follow the rules that they preach to these women. And these BM generally don’t choose the BW who follow those rules about modesty, etc. that they preach. No, religious BM—just like the rest of BM—tend to reward and choose so-called “worldly” women as wives. See for just one recent example, Israel Houghton and Adrienne Bailon. See also the example of many self-described Christian BW’s anger at Meagan Good.

        http://www.charismanews.com/world/61368-israel-houghton-marries-adrienne-bailon-says-jesus-at-the-center-of-it-all

        http://www.lipstickalley.com/showthread.php/223438-List-of-who-Adrienne-Bailon

        http://www.christiantoday.com/article/meagan.good.defends.her.style.choices.suggests.concepts.of.modesty.are.relative/82167.htm

        These frustrations lead Black Religious Mammies to be extremely angry with and resentful of the BW who are not following the various religious rules they believe in. Instead of being angry with the hypocritical religious BM who preach one thing to the mammies in their midst and then marry women who don’t conform to that behavior, Black Religious Mammies focus all their rage on the BW who didn’t follow their rules. Black Religious Mammies get downright enraged when they see a BW winning in life who is *not* following their religious rules!

        I believe THIS is what’s underlying the sheer rage and hateration many BW feel for Ciara after she was courted by and then married to what appears to be a good man (despite having previously had an oow child). THIS is what has so many enraged BW calling Ciara a “ho” for getting pregnant by her husband within the bounds of her marriage. [Which is crazy because getting pregnant by one’s husband during one’s marriage is the very essence of propriety, but I digress…]

        Black Religious Mammies get resentful to the point of wishing suffering on those BW who aren’t following the rules these mammies believe in. I suspect that this same type of hateful motivation is what was driving that earlier crazed pro-Trump commenter chocolatekisses1977/The Black Goddess. All that individual could talk about was what she hates, hates, HATES.

        She said: —“I hate welfare. I hate abortion. I hate gay marriage. I hate homosexuality.”—

        This obvious hatefulness and desire to see women who don’t follow their rules punished in some way (= desire to see such women suffer) is why a lot of people DON’T trust right-wing/religious/conservative zealots. People aren’t totally stupid. They can see through all that “We only want what’s best” talk. No, a lot of right-wing/religious/conservative zealots don’t simply want what they think is best. Everything about their statements and behavior suggests that they want to see people punished—that they want to see people who aren’t following their rules suffer.

        Which why they almost never have any answer to the questions I earlier asked of crazed pro-Trump commenter chocolatekisses1977/The Black Goddess when I said:

        —–”Do you also hate women having access to birth control? Since you hate welfare AND abortion, how do you propose the millions of existing bastard babies that BW have birthed be fed, housed and clothed? Would you be comfortable with seeing the large percentage of Black bastard kids born into poverty starve in the streets? In other words, what is your plan for the already existing bastard spawn of BW welfare queens/Section 8 recipients?”—–

        They don’t have any answers for these sorts of questions because for them it’s mostly about punishing women who engage in non-marital sex. Period. Again, people aren’t stupid; they can see that.

        Finally, as to the videos you’re recommending I watch–Respectfully, there’s no need for me to invest time in watching the Christian fundamentalist videos that you’ve suggested because Christians—regrettably—are in error: The first error is that Christians take their information about Jesus from the Bible; and none of it can be traced directly back to Jesus himself. He did not write or dictate any of this material himself. Unfortunately, your scriptures have been corrupted and distorted by the words and teachings of men who weren’t even contemporaries of Jesus. More error is heaped upon the original error by Christians only reading translations of these already-distorted scriptures. It’s safe to say that Jesus didn’t speak English.

        Even worse than that first error is the grave error of indulging in polytheism. Muslims believe in monotheism. We believe in, as one person put it, “the Absolute Oneness of God, Who is a Supreme Being free of human limitations, needs and wants. He has no partners in His Divinity. He is the Creator of everything and is completely separate from His creation.” Believing in trinities and assorted other forms of belief in multiple [false] gods is a grave sin in Islam. So, I’ll respectfully decline the invitation to watch videos that, at the end of the day, are inviting me to believe in multiple false gods. May God have mercy on me and prevent me from ever falling into such an error. Ordinarily, I don’t discuss such things with Christians, because I don’t want to give offense to anyone’s beliefs. Chapter 109 of the Quran discusses the Muslim’s attitude toward others’ beliefs:

        Say: “Oh, you who disbelieve!
        “I do not worship that which you worship,
        “Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
        “Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
        “Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
        “To you your religion and to me mine.”

        I’m responding to you in this fashion because of the proselytizing nature of the videos that you’re inviting me to watch. Peace be upon you.

        • I will say that I have PERSONALLY taken note of the hypocrisy of what 6″men in the church” SAY versus what they DO. That’s why I DO NOT RESTRICT my personal relationship selections to “Christians only”. I have personally found ASIAN men (Hindus, more so than Muslims) to value and select women for the reasons *I* prefer to be valued for. I personally think Megan Goode and Ciara are VERY beautiful, and I understand why men are attracted to them. Religious women (ESPECIALLY BW) have, unfortunately, often allowed themselves to be “oppressed” out of their PHYSICAL beauty.

          I am a physically attractive woman with a LOVELY hourglass physique which *I* don’t “harness” the way I COULD, because I’m frustrated by the STUPIDITY of these “shallow”, “surface level only” ORIENTED MEN. But, I think women should own THEIR OWN bodies, minds, and personal beliefs. That’s why I read the Bible for MYSELF and don’t rely upon a minister to “digest” it for me.

          YOU, being a Muslim, will have a different take on the validity of the Bible, as *I*, being a Christian, have a different take on the validity of the Quran. RELIGION, like politics, is ANOTHER one of those topics that are VERY SENSITIVE and CENTRAL to people’s “hearts” and “identities “. SOMETIMES, when you’re going to have relationships with people, you just have to leave certain areas ALONE (unless you’ve AGREED to engage in a mutual critical analysis), because they prove to be “minefields” in which there is no “SAFE area” to “STEP”.

      • I recieved a message the original comment didn’t post, may may be a duplicate message.

        @Far Mars,

        I agree with your assessment that not all republicans are evil and that not all democrats are loving and tolerant. Black women need to read and listen to various news outlets, not just MSNBC in particular..

        I remember when the story broke about Donna Brazil, they made a point of not really discussing the the story. They mentioned it as an afterthought and treated it as if what she did wasn’t a big deal. This was the same treatment with Bernie Sanders. No matter how large the crowds were that were coming out to see him, MSNBC was ignoring him..and it wasn’t until he began calling out the media for ignoring him and his supporters, MSCBC finally began covering some of his campaign.

        After the leaks, it was clear that HRC really did see him as a threat and the DNC was actively suppressing his campaign. And clearly the liberal media was walking lock step.It’s difficult to get to the truth, however depending on cable news networks, MSNBC, CNN and FOX for the facts of a story and nothing more is a mistake simply because cable news does not adhere to the same standards as the three main networks where the anchors reporting the news are discouraged from injecting their partisan opinion in order to mislead the viewer to the plain facts of the story.

        The other problem which is actually the largest problem is the emotional toll from the constant “shaming” done to black people, specifically black women, if there is a hint of her thinking independently from the black monolith. Blacks will even allow other racial and ethnic groups to pile on and shame blacks that identify as republican or again, question anything regarding the policies of the Democratic Party. I’ve read the shaming from other ethnic groups that are supposedly liberal, make comments that border on racist or they just are. And no black person steps in to draw a line.More racial and sexist slurs are hurled at black women than the most racist person could think of…the favorite is “bedwinch.”

        The Root has been running stories on blacks that may be serving in the new administration and some I’ve never heard of, however they are republicans hand have served in different capacities in the public and private sector..the comments from the black commenters is enough to scare any black folks, particularly black women from asking questions, critiquing the Democratic Party or attempting to critically think about what specifically the Republican Party may offer, even on an individual level. And if we mention being an independent, or considering the independent party or selecting a third party candidate, we are just seen as plain stupid and throwing away a vote or as the president suggested, casting a “protest vote.”

        In a democracy, who you vote for and why is just as much a right as the act of voting itself; however clearly this right does not extend itself to blacks, particularly black women. If the new admistration does better than expected for blacks in particular, this will cause major problems not only for the Democratic Party, but will force us to critique our party affiliation and the motivation for remaining in it

        • I wasn’t “shocked” by the Brazile situation, at all. I SUSPECT that it happens more than we realize. Just like those people plagiarize or pay others to write their papers in college. What I noticed (though I didn’t pay the situation “HEAVY” attention) is that there seemed to be more focus on Brazile GIVING the questions than Hillary TAKING them. Someone can “OFFER” you their paper, but plagiarism CAN’T HAPPEN unless you AGREE to take the work and PASS IT OF AS YOUR OWN.

          I, personally, saw it as another example of the BW “falling on the sword”.

        • OMG @Sherrie, this was basically my point. Thank you and thank you. And I posted those videos for Khadija and other black women here to view and find out more about these issues being discussed. Black women have to open their eyes and mind. These issues are not only important to white people; they are very much relevant to our rights and freedom as black women, and the fact that this doesn’t click for black women is frightening. The situation with Brazile WAS on YouTube and people where talking about. Why is it ok for everyone to be informed but black women?? The fact is terrorism affect black women (do you remember the kid napped Nigerian girls; muslims black people like shit in Africa BASED on RACE); the fact that OBama handed ICANN over to an international body and away from the US government affects us black women; immigration affects us black women; freedom of speech and religion affects us black women; lack of jobs affects us black women and it is our responsibility to understand theses situations in all their complexities; and this means listening and reading a variety of points of view. The moment that news starts to favor one person over the other; they have betrayed the people. I read yesterday; the Trump by passed the media and made a video DIRECTLY to the American people. And honestly I was shocked in a GOOD way. That is brave and awesome; he is responsible to the people NOT the establishment (they already have Soros).
          All the news outlets were butt hurt. If I were him I wouldn’t give ANY one of them a pass into the White House; to me this would be completely justified. But we see what happens.

      • Far Mars, with all due respect, just as the average (well the majority really) viewer is so easily brainwashed by their consumption of liberal biased media, so too are they brainwashed by right-wing media. The fact that one person or one party might say something true one time does not mean that every or anything else they say/support/propose is also true, and hence, should get your support. There are several things on the the Democratic and more left-leaning platform that I support, but I was never going to be kosher with their whole mess of forcing the Trans issue. Mainly because my entire political philosophy begins and ends with how does this (1) affect me, and (2) how does it affect those like me. The whole Trans thing was always going to end up being bad for women, so I never cared one iota about those who would carp on about transphobia, when trying to shut down any opposition. I don’t support a lot of their economic positions as well, because fundamentally, I don’t believe that their ideology works.

        Similarly, I support the general Republican or more right-leaning platform/mindset of strong borders, not joking around when its time to fight terrorism, law & order etc. However, I can’t get with their program of only being tough on crime yet ignoring the causes of crime. For me, the two go hand-in-hand. Similarly, their whole tax breaks for the rich, and the wealth will trickle down to others is a load of hogwash. I think it would be a good idea for folks to start voting for platforms and policy positions as opposed to parties, politicians/people etc.

        I always have my non-negotiables, for things/candidates etc that I will never even consider (i.e. if they support anything that does me harm). Then on other issues, that I either do not feel strongly on, have yet to make up my mind or have no position, I am always open to having my mind changed or being convinced.

        Finally, I get that you have your beliefs, but my mindset with such things (bearing in mind that the visitors to this blog are of various belief systems, religions, or none at all), I’m not sure how credible or productive a conversation one is supposed to have if the main crux of one’s argument is some variation of “the Bible say……”. This applies to the Koran, Torah, this or that ancient scroll, etc, whether one is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, Wicca, a ‘Seer’, or whatever else. If I don’t hold your own personal religious beliefs with the same sacred value with which you hold it (& I don’t), I’m not going to put too much weight in any conclusions you arrive at due to those beliefs.

        “I understand that our problem is with black men and white women mainly; however, does that mean we cannot listen to anything white men say?

        This is not a true statement. I think you might have somewhat of a slight misunderstanding of BWE.

        “Donald won because Christina prayed like we have never prayed before.

        Actually, he won because he got the most Electoral College votes. On that basis, what was the reason that all other presidents won? In particular, those who implemented policies that I suspect you would label as ‘anti-Christian’? Did they not pray enough? I get that we all have our own unique set of belief systems, but these discussions would be far more productive if we engaged in logical reasoning when making any argument. For the record, I did not disagree with most of what you said, but if this reply was to any other poster who had made similar comments, but instead with regard to Islam, Wiccans casting their spells to aid in a Trump victory, Pagans doing whatever (& yes, I know I am showing my ignorance about these faiths as I don’t actually know what they do) etc, I think you would feel the same.

        • @JaliliMaster I couldn’t agree more with your analysis.

          As for @FarMars belief that “Donald won because Christians prayed like we have never prayed before.”
          Well all I can say is that some people in the so called ‘alt right’ (white nationalists movements) centred around websites like 4chan believe that Trump won because of THEIR prayers and offerings to Kek, the egyptian god of darkness, who they’d begun worshipping in this election cycle in the form of Pepe the frog.

          When I searched online for more information I discovered that this new Kek worship as it seems to have developed online in these communities is, essentially, “a religion of synchromysticism, numerology, digital physics, and quantum superposition in which the adherents adjust reality through “meme magic”, casting linguistic audio and visual spells, rewriting the game code, as it were, in machine language while it is being executed.”
          And seeing as incoming Trump White House chief strategist Steve Bannon, executive chairman of Brietbart news is the darling of the alt right, maybe Kek came through for them as much as Jesus did for the christians.

        • @JaliliMaster Where did I say that everything “right wing” says is true? The problem is the majority of the new is liberal. So there is not a lot of avenues to get alternative views (regardless of if they are wrong or right; this is where people need to stop being lazy and do their own home work). This is why I will encourage black women to look to other source (ex. Youtube). Thanks.

      • @Khadija Nassif

        Thanks for your response. I am not referring to any of the groups of people you listed. I give examples of Ted Cruz and Glenn Beck and the people in the videos if you watched the videos. These people range from Christian, Mormon, Jew, former Muslim and now atheist, gay, etc. I am not looking at the identity of the person; I am looking at the validity of their arguments. You listed a whole bunch of con artists. Anyway, you should be open minded to what people have to say and if upon your own RESEARCH you find their point invalid, than that is another story. But just shutting them out isn’t going to help anything and can foster a narrow mind. Do not allow labels to block you from other reasonings. I hope you actually watch the videos and there are books on these topics; happy reading. Sorry you will not find it in the news or taught on the campus. I think black women will STRONGLY benefit from believing everything they hear on the new; do their own research,read and study world history, particularly Arab history. If black women knew 1/4 of the realities of the history of other races of people they would quickly hop off the train of “all minorites.”

        • Mars Far,

          You said, “Anyway, you should be open minded to what people have to say and if upon your own RESEARCH you find their point invalid, than that is another story. But just shutting them out isn’t going to help anything and can foster a narrow mind. Do not allow labels to block you from other reasonings. I hope you actually watch the videos and there are books on these topics; happy reading. Sorry you will not find it in the news or taught on the campus.”

          {smiling}

          I’m smiling because you’re making the assumption (one of several that you’ve made) that I haven’t already heard/read AND THEN rejected the arguments put forth in the sorts of proselytizing videos you tossed at me. I’m also tickled at your assumption that I’m not open-minded. Because I can tell from the things that you’re saying that you don’t read or listen to anything outside your conservative and evangelical bubble. I can tell that you only seek out materials that claim to refute other political beliefs and other religions–as opposed to reading source materials from political beliefs and religions that are outside your own narrow circle of beliefs.

          By contrast, I’m on the email and subscription lists of several Christian publications and websites. I like to keep tabs on what they’re talking about. [And in the case of my subscription to the Salvation Army’s publication, the War Cry, I genuinely like the work that they do.]

          My dear, your behavior on this thread has been the very definition of having a narrow mind. You came among a mixed audience citing your personal religious beliefs in support of your arguments–all while speaking to a mixed audience of people who may or may not share your religious beliefs. Which is not only nonproductive in terms of having a conversation with people who don’t share your particular set of beliefs, but it’s also more than a little bit obnoxious. You do realize that some of the other BW in this reading audience don’t share your particular religious beliefs?

          It’s interesting in its own way. I’ve seen this sort of Obliviously Unaware Of The Offense They’re Giving To Others behavior before (really, too often) from Protestant BW. The same type of Protestant BW who expect others to take their religious beliefs seriously when most of such BW don’t even know the basic history of their own denomination—they’ve never heard of Martin Luther. They’ve never heard of the Reformation. They have no idea that historically Protestants began as people who broke away from the Catholic Church. Finally, they’ve never even read their version of the Bible from cover to cover. I think this general lack of historical information about their own belief system is part of what leads to these BW’s near-total lack of etiquette when speaking to other people who are outside of their ideological bubble—because they’re uninformed in general. It’s hard to take these women seriously when they don’t bother to learn basic information about what they claim to believe in.

          I think another part of it is yet another manifestation of the many important things that were forcefully stripped away from the slaves and their descendants in the West: specifically, the slaves were stripped of their cultural memory of the etiquette of debate and discussion. What I’ve noticed over the years is that Protestant Western Blacks don’t appear to have any serious religious scholarship about the etiquette of debate and discussion. Too many of y’all talk to other people in offensive ways and then you’re mystified as to why your statements are rebuffed.

          Everyone falls short of the ideal, but the etiquette of debate and discussion is something that is taken seriously by Muslim scholars. For some examples, http://darulfiqh.com/islamic-manners-during-discussions-and-debates/
          http://www.islamicinsights.com/news/opinion/the-etiquette-of-debate-part-i.html

          Anyway, thanks for helping me start the day in good cheer. 🙂

        • @Khadija Nassif You said that you DID NOT watch the videos LOL. That is my point. You are NOT addressing the things that I am say: 1. the video 2. the history of and present ideals of the conservatives platform(I believe in ideas NOT people)
          3. You have to accept that Christians believe in one God even if you do not agree with it (and honestly I wasn’t even going in that directions in my original post; but thank you). You will not be able to refute ANY of those videos by Facts; NOT ONE.

        • @Khadija Nassif I do not give a two cents what subscription list you are on. It is irrelevant. Civility in debate IS, hearing / watching / reading your opponent’s point and than coming up with your own. It is NOT a debate when you do not consider the arguments of the other side (regardless if you THINK you have heard it before). Muslim scholars DO NOT believe or practiced debating. They MURDERED opponents to Islam; this STARTED with Muhammad and is going on right now in the 21ST CENTURY. Are you serious???????????? Why is there a Fatwa on so many people heads who criticize Islam? it doesn’t matter what so called modern day moderate Muslim scholars say; it matters what the Koran say. End of story.

      • “Respectfully, that’s not reassuring. Especially in light of the negative historical precedents regarding these particular issues. It’s safe to say that the German people of the 1930s and 1940s were “no more evil” than anybody else. Nevertheless, the masses of them allowed themselves to be drawn into supporting what can only be described as evil.”

        > Well the narrative the Republicans are “racist;” as least by actions like the lynch mobs; Jim Crow; etc is very strong. I cannot prove how a group of people feel internally. In fact I do believe many republicans don’t like black people. But the label that the whole party has received is INACCURATE and an INVERSION of history. Republican flat forms by and large were anti-slavery and segregation and the Democratic platforms were not. You don’t have to believe me on this just read about it yourself; if you took any class like AP US history in high school or a history class, this should be basic knowledge.

        Additionally, you comparison to German Nazi (the cape out example) is so over the top and inaccurate. Republican ideals are opposite of Nazi ideals. If you are talking about the fact that a lot of Republicans are nationalist; in this case there are VALID reasons. Examples: terrorism; illegal immigration; crime; economic issues. if I remember correctly, Jews were not murdering the people in the countries they reside in; they were not coming in illegally; and yes the were prosperous. The solution to this is NOT to do nothing. It is perfectly legal for a country to decide what is in their best interest; close their borders; stop certain people from coming in, etc. The duty of a sovereign nation is to protect it’s citizens first. Donald is talking about murdering people, he is talking about deporting & building a wall. What is so wrong with that?

        Again regarding “Right Wind” people. This is a foolish label that hinders conversations. Religion is very simple. Almost all religions have a Book. If you read that book, that you will really understand how adherents SHOULD behave and what that religion (ideas) is really about. So judging a set of ideals as on how (not even close to the majority; just a black cultural spin) is ridiculous.

        And so WHAT if she hated all these things; all you listed are a whole much of ideas. It is OK / NORMAL to hate ideas. Many ideas are horrible. You are giving ideas the respect humans deserve. Why are you calling her names like “crazed pro-Trump commenter.?” Is she not allowed to have a stance? Are you crazy just b/c you disagree with her?

        >Finally, as to the videos you’re recommending I watch–Respectfully, there’s no need for me to invest time in watching the Christian fundamentalist videos that you’ve suggested because Christians—regrettably—are in error: The first error is that Christians take their information about Jesus from the Bible; and none of it can be traced directly back to Jesus himself.

        SERIOUSLY; hardly anyone of these people are Christians LOL Actually only ONE of them is Christians. Are you saying only Christian can have conservative values??? LOL So you are not willing to listen to any Christian argument? We are that underserving right? Well thank you 🙂

        Are you saying that prayers could not result in Trump winning the Electoral vote? Let’s face it the odds were not exactly for him. The entire media thought that Hilary was going to win; in my opinion they WANTED her to win. You have to be blind not to see this. The FREAKING undercut Bernie! You don’t have to be on the opposite side of the ideals spectrum to have common sense. Even some Democrats realized this.

        I re-read my comment and I couldn’t find anywhere where I said the Bible said this and therefore…??? Can you show me where I said that? Thanks.

        Oh good old semi theology arguments. Most people will find it hard to believe a story written by one man. Jesus had disciples and many of them contributed to writing the Bible; before that people like Moses wrote the parts of it. And not one of their stories contradict each other. Now how did they manage that? Here’s the thing about Christianity; God ALWAYS exists in a relationship (in the Tribune) and with human beings. So the writers of the Bible were either instructed directly (as in the case of Moses; Ezekiel; etc) or were inspired by the Holy Spirit. You can I both know that I cannot go a get the original Bible or scripts no more than you can get the original Koran. So what is the point of asking such a question? The flaw in your argument is that Christianity doesn’t claim that the Bible can be traced back to Jesus himself. The Bible claims that the WORD is God inspired/ God breathed. Additionally, a lot of the old testament (The Torah) was written before the birth of Christ LOL And honestly, it didn’t make much sense to write the new testament down immediately as a book; because Jewish tradition was mainly oral. The King James version is pretty good. However, we Christians do not get super overworked on translations (truth be told the Bible is interrupted in so many different languages, something is going to get lost in translation; although the general meanings are not going to change) because we HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. The Holy Spirit explains the WORD because he is the author (spiritual author/ inspiration) of the word. A person can read the Bible and get basic understanding, but not DEEP understanding with out the HOLY SPIRIT. It is only fair to say that the author of a book understands what it intends more than anyone else.

        OK. Christianity is monotheistic completely; no ifs or buts. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. They are three in one. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct entities( they have different duties within the same job as God) with equal Godship and exist in perfect love and harmony, making them one. If you actually read the Bible Jesus claims to have God authority (who can have this other than God? I wonder). The Holy Spirit created the world, Genesis says the God created the world, which makes the Holy Spirit God as well. Here are somethings to remember: 1. God is not confined to this world 2) God exist in relationships 3) if you did the math it would be like 1x1x1 = 1 NOT 1+1+1 = 3
        4) it is like H2O (as cheesy as that may sound); there are 3 distinct faces solid, liquid, and gas; but they are all equally H2O 5) we are like God, not the other way around (the child looks like the parent, not the other way around); with this being said let us not confine God, but accept him for who and what he says he is

        Here is a question I have for Muslims: is anything impossible for God? If nothing is IMPOSSIBLE for God, why is it so hard for Muslims to accept that God COULD exist as a Trinity? If there is no possibility that God COULD exist in a Trinity, than something is IMPOSSIBLE for your god; perhaps your god doesn’t exist as god, but some limited being. Tri unity is how God describes himself in the Old and New Testament of the Bible. Who are we to tell him he is not who he says he is? If you read the Bible and ask Jesus to be your Lord and savior, repent of your sins. God will surely forgive you and you can start a relationshiop with Christ. The Holy Spirit will change you from inside out.

        Christ bless

        • @SP What is your point? What is so crazy about what I wrote (ignoring typos, like Donald is taking about murder, it was supposed be. NOT talking about murder; I am sure you would figure out what was meant to be said). Why don’t you say something about what was written instead of calling me crazy?

      • @Khadija Nassif why should I even bother to look at the links you provided when you didn’t even watch any of the videos that I put in my original comment. See how you logic works? Those videos ARE my argument and frankly your response is kind of pointless if you do not address those videos.

      • @khadija massif which video is about promoting Christianity or asking people to believe in Christ? absolutely NONE. I have No clue what you are talking about. lol what a cop out excuse for not engaging in reasoning.

        • JaliliMaster,

          Yep, it’s gone ALL the way downhill. Which is why I’m walking away. {shrug} Oh well, it was nice and productive while it lasted (before the rabid ranting began).

          Happy Holidays, Ladies! 🙂

  17. Because Khadija’s question wasn’t answered and just out of genuine curiosity for those whose stance is pro-life, what is the plan to deal with all of the out of wedlock children we have now and will be birthed in the future if we eliminate abortion? Ive never seen any one who is Pro-Life actually answer this question with a well thought out and logical plan beyond just making abortions illegal. My grandmother told me many stories of friends and family members who had back alley abortions, threw themselves down stairs etc. when legal abortion wasn’t tolerated as it is today. Genuine worry about my reproductive rights under a Trump/Pence administration (the same Pence who tried to make women in Indiana pay for a cremation/funeral for their fetuses) was one reason why I was ultimately swayed to vote for HRC.

    • Jade,

      HISTORICALLY, I have been “Pro-life” with exceptions for rape/incest and the life and health of the mother.

      I watched “If These Walls Coud Talk”, and it led me.to have sympathy for.women seeking abortion who did not have access to medical doctors. I believe I watched part 2 also. THAT, the RAMPANT neglect.and abuse of children, and the number of (effectively) “feral” children who grow up to be criminals and “menaces to society” have led.me to accept Pro-choice laws with a BAN on partial-birth abortion. (IMO, if you can deliver a baby to the point of poking a hole in the base of its skull and suctioning out its brains, you can deliver a baby to the point of sending it to the nursery and giving it up for adoption to a GOOD HOME.)

      While in my personal life I am STILL Pro-life with the exclusion I mentioned above (along with exceptions for SEVERE birth defects and medical conditions), I am VERY pro BIRTH CONTROL, pro MORNING AFTER PILL, pro ABSTINENCE (which is 100 PERCENT EFFEFTIVE). Even if one does not object to abortion, I think the MANY (if not MOST) people seeking/utilizing abortions did not.take as.much responsibility or effectively utilize the tools available to them to prevent pregnancy in the FIRST PLACE.

      You have the RIGHT and the FREEDOM to.vote ANY WAY YOU WANT. If supporting Hillary was “the right choice for you”, then it was THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR YOU.

      • —-I think the MANY (if not MOST) people seeking/utilizing abortions did not.take as.much responsibility or effectively utilize the tools available to them to prevent pregnancy in the FIRST PLACE.—-

        I’m one of those people who like to read the recaps/reviews/comments of television shows that I watch. Last week a show tackled an abortion storyline of a married WW w two older children (say 12-17) who was enrolling in law school, come to find out that she was pregnant. I’m truncating the storyline to get to the point, but as she started to resign herself to giving up on her dream to have this baby (they covered the child care angle as well), her husband said “there ARE other options”.

        The writer reviewing the show applauded the nuanced storyline and mentioned that over half of abortions are sought by women who already have children.

        I did not know this.

        She (or he, can’t remember) linked to an article and I went down this rabbit hole of reading articles about exactly this topic.

        We have to be careful about this narrative about painting abortion as a tool of irresponsible women carelessly having sex.

        When the story hit about the trials for the male birth control being halted due to side effects, I read some pretty interesting discussions, among women, about all the complexities they had with hormonal birth control.

        This isn’t an easy topic.

        I think we have to stop painting with such a broad brush that we’re labeling abortion seekers as irresponsible women who didn’t do enough to prevent pregnancy in the first place. It overlooks the reality that yes, if you take that one occurrence it seems easy to prevent pregnancy, but if you look at it over a broad period of time, it’s more complex than that.

        It’s pretty interesting to view it through the lens of women who already have children because I think most would think they would just go on and add another child to the family, but the fact that they aren’t says a lot.

        The interesting part about it is the rape/incest exclusion, it’s almost as if to say “if it wasn’t your fault, you can get an out, but if it was, then suck it up” points to how we view continuing w the pregnancy as kind of a punishment (or responsibility, depending on how you look at it) for “being irresponsible.” And while I know that you’ve changed your views, I’m still making the point.

        Because we’re doing a disservice to the need to have honest discussions about the REALITY of a life of birth control when we draw these simplistic dichotomies of “responsible”/”irresponsible”. And we KNOW that most black mothers aren’t having these conversations w their daughters AND sons, to the degree of depth necessary. We’re not giving realistic views about navigating the waters of sexual activity, and for so many woman it’s not simple. And now throw on top of that, the levels of abuse BW experience from intimate partner violence and it puts a whole new spin on the issue.

        • The “responsibility ” statement is. It meant to be an “ACCUSATION “, though I understand it sounds like one. I still stand by my statement that if a PERSON (USUALLY a woman, in these instances) knows they do not want to get pregnant/”have a child at this time”, there are several VERY effective means they can utilize to prevent pregnancy (regardless of marital or parental status). The fact that many women who seek abortions already have children illustrates that THEY KNOW and understand “where babies come from”. So, they should be EVEN MORE CAREFUL, as they understand the potential expense of having another child.

          For me, a “rape/incest” exclusion isn’t about “responsibility ” or lack thereof or even viewing “pregnancy as punishment”, but rather about my PERSONAL belief that a rapist/molester should not be able to FORCE a woman/girl to bear their child UNLESS the woman/girl WANTS to (and some DO choose to keep the child after an assault). The assailant SHOULD NOT be able to “violate” or “control” the victim’s body EVEN FURTHER.

          In ALL instances, THE CHILD IS INNOCENT. They have NO SAY in being conceived. Nevertheless, they have to bear the cost of whatever the woman decides, and the older the fetus is, the more it “EXPERIENCES”. So, I believe that “freedom of choice” SHOULD ALSO entail “freedom of consideration” for the life/entity that will bear the BRUNT of the cost, though they have no “VOLITION” in the matter.

        • —The fact that many women who seek abortions already have children illustrates that THEY KNOW and understand “where babies come from”. So, they should be EVEN MORE CAREFUL, as they understand the potential expense of having another child.—

          I get what you’re saying. The REALITY of pregnancy prevention in circumstances of continued sexual activity (i.e. it’s easier for women who are celibate for long periods of time) is not as easy as people make it seem. We’re not having a nuanced discussion here, it’s coming down to “women who abort didn’t do enough” to prevent pregnancy without acknowledging that in real life that gets pretty complicated.

        • Gina,

          Pro-choice laws allow women to have whatever “nuances” they want. I’ve met women whose husbands didn’t believe in birth-control (and probably not abortion EITHER). Are the majority of abortion seekers in that category? PROBABLY NOT, but I don’t know. At some point in time, sexually active adults who are not victims (which a woman CAN be a “victim” of her husband or partner) DO have to decide what they want for themselves and what steps they’re willing to take to achieve it. For SOME women (like myself), it will be pregnancy PREVENTION. For others, it will be the option of pregnancy CONTINUANCE (or NOT). An individual’s values will determine what they emphasize.

          Sexual activity has potential CONSEQUENCES (not just pregnancy–disease, abandonment, OR happiness, gratification, bonding) that EVENTUALLY have to be faced if an individual wants to minimize the risk for negative IMPACTS (“negative” as defined by that person).

          And, there are those WHO KNOW they want a vigorous and active sex life WITHOUT CHILDREN (married or not) who find ways to AVOID PREGNANCY.

  18. I think there is a lot to be said for the outcome of this election. I was certainly surprised by the statistics – 53% of white women voted for Trump. White women got women’s suffrage in 1920 after years of protesting (Alice Paul and the Silent Sentinels silently protested every day for 2-3 years in front of the White House (with a lot of jail time and abuse). Alice Paul also continued to work to get the Equal Pay Act of 1963 AND Civil Rights Act of 1964 (which was huge for outlawing discrimination based on race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. It also ended unequal voter registration which opened up voting for black women completely).

    But.. somewhere in the 70s they just stopped. They became completely compliant. You have women who are most likely very comfortable at home and you have women who are working their buts off as professionals. I think that is where we see the majority of the 43%(professionals) and 53%(comfortable living situation) is at. I, myself, who voted democrat, for various reasons, was hugely disappointed and upset by seeing that statistic. I do not relate to that 53%. I can’t understand how, in my opinion, they seem to have voted against their best interests. I have since then been reading and trying to figure out that particular vote. Thanks for taking the time to write this post and share your frustrations.

    • —– I do not relate to that 53%. I can’t understand how, in my opinion, they seem to have voted against their best interests. I have since then been reading and trying to figure out that particular vote.——

      They did not vote against THEIR best interests, they voted against YOURS.

      • 100%. There seems to be a difference in what people are looking for from their political leaders and what they believe they need as a person (the historical portions I was referencing before are not political figures but ways in which people were not being treated the way they should).

  19. Check out this comment I just read on a FB post online. I have retracted the name of the author.

    Trust me as an American with Mexican heritage, many of us didn’t buy the media bullsh!t. I went to a Trump Rally and never did I hear a racist thing come out of his mouth.
    Democrats think they own us like they own the black vote but minorities are waking up.

  20. Things to consider:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3947626/The-Trump-effect-Apple-looking-assembling-iPhones-outsourcing-abroad.html

    Noting the last sentence in the article about the U.S. No longer producing people with the skills NEEDED in manufacturing, WHY DID WE ALLOW THINGS TO GET THIS WAY?

    But, Trump’s message is OBVIOUSLY having an impact on the business/manufacturing world. I doubt Apple would have been looking into having items made here in the U.S. Had HILLARY won.

    But, looking at the “cost” factors mentioned, certain Americans need to think about their desire/demands for EVERYONE to be paid AT LEAST $15/hr. There’s GOT to be some “give and take”. And, $15/hr MINIMUM for “dropping fries”/”bagging groceries” in an area with a low cost of living versus some place in L.A. Or Beverly Hills? ESPECIALLY when you want employers to provide health insurance, retirement pensions, workers comp/disability, etc. We have MUCH to consider.

  21. Hi I’m one of the 94% I’m just really curious are you actually calling the BW who voted for HRC mammies. I’m just confused right now BW in this country really can’t do anything without being talked about and this election is one of those times and I’m tired of all the articles and comments. BM who hate black women talk about it and now some of the BWE bloggers as well. Some could have just blindly supported the Democratic party but then again how does this help by attacking or maligning those that voted for HRC as mammies. I don’t remember seeing articles about why Trump was so much better or why you should vote Stein or Johnson.It seemed like BWE was about allowing BW to make their choices in this election on who benefitted them. I see so many people proud they voted for Trump sometimes when I read those comments I get the feeling that it’s about sticking it to the Democratic party really and I see a lot of hurdle hopping for explaining why it’s okay because he denounced the KKK endorsement like that matters really. I’ve even see some try to explain away the mass exodus of southern racist democrats going republican as not being real. Storm Thurmond(if you know politics you know who he is) one of those leaders of the Southern Democrats who switched to republican and lead the mass exodus from the party in 1964 after trying to form his own party. That is a real true fact. It’s history. Black people used to vote republican up till probably that time. I think MLK voted republican but the switch did happen. Stop denying facts if you were sure in your vote there wouldn’t be a need for the hurdle hopping.

    What actually choices in this election were there. I could vote for a man backed by a racist organization I don’t care if he denounced it. So what. Obviously his message was appealing to them so what would the benefit be for me to vote for him. He allowed them into his campaign and now into his cabinet. They will have influence on him and his decision making so again where is my benefit if someone who has his ear is racist. Secondly I don’t make nearly enough money to calmly vote republican anyway again voting for him doesn’t benefit me.I know where the tax breaks are going to be and who gonna receive a rise in taxes. Most of the things that the republican party stands for doesn’t appeal to me so why would I vote for Trump.

    I wouldn’t vote third party because I know it really doesn’t matter. Those candidates that ran would have been better served running for a senate or house seat instead of president.The odds of them winning would have been much better as well. So how does voting third party benefit me if they never even have a shot a getting into the white house.

    I voted for HRC because she was running on the democratic ticket a party who I agree with most of the time (the trans issue I will never agree with it’s too far) I believe in most things they talk about it and see them as the choice for me. Did I want HRC? No. Did I want Sanders? Kind of. Since I started voting back in 2008 Obama had been my best option and I voted for him because he was a democrat and had a black wife. To be honest I voted for policies and to see a black woman in the white house.
    I don’t connect to the republicans and I couldn’t ever bring myself to vote third party because I know it goes no where.

    All before this election though every talked about how corrupt HRC was/is. Like every other person running or had run was a honorable person. It was funny, and I knew Trump would win too. I’ve been around WP all of my life since I was five. I know they hate HRC. Hated her since she was just the first lady so I wasn’t surprised she lost. The DNC really should have know that W. America wasn’t gonna vote for her and should have searched to pick a better candidate. It wasn’t surprising. It wasn’t surprising when BM gleefully celebrated Trump’s win thinking that he was somehow gonna take it to BW. Like WM are just like them only focusing on women and attacking them. No what was surprising was reading this article and seeing that because I exercise my option of choice in this election because I didn’t vote against democrats I’m now some type of mammy. I’ve been following BWE blogs since before I voted for the first time in 2008 and I wished I could have found them while I was high school. I’ve divested, I’m thriving and doing for me. I’m not some sista soldier marching for a group of men that hate me.Or trying to be allies with anyone. I’m simply doing me.

    This election has left an ugly taste in my mouth. I’m just curious as to what some people wanted BW to do. Should we have stayed home like BM, voted third party to make a statement (now I’m not knocking anyone who did this is my opinion and what you do with your vote is your business this is just how I feel it isn’t my business), or voted for a man who is backed by the KKK even if he denounced it he has people who are now in his sphere in the white house helping him make decisions.

    However, going on and on about this election and what percent voted what doesn’t matter. Trump won. I can’t wait to for him to get in office. I wanna see what he does. The last two times the republican party had this much power there was the great depression and the great recession. I can’t wait to see who he puts on the supreme court, he might get three chances. So who knows what they’ll appeal and strike down. I can’t wait to see where Trump takes us. . .what great ___, will be clawing our way out of in 4 to 8 years. I’m ready for it. I’ll be sipping tea while everyone else complains not saying one word or fighting for anyone. History always has a way of repeating itself and his rise to power sadly reminds me of someone. Extreme nationalism, anti- (fill the blank almost everyone fits), isolationism and having ones that represent you and your party enact terror acts on others and their property. I just wonder how fast he, congress and the senate can pass his own Enabling Act.

    • Shaymore,

      OLS can speak for herself, but I don’t believe she was suggesting a vote for Hillary AUTOMATICALLY equaled “being a mammy”. I have copied one of her responses from above. You can substitute “muledom” with “being a mammy”.

      onelesssoldier
      November 16, 2016 at 6:16 am
      No. voting for HRC does nnot equal muledom. I know many people had different reasons why they voted for HRC. Those are not the people I take issue with. i take issue with the sect of bw who and this is across all lines in their daily life, toe whatever line is being fed to them by so called ‘allies’ only to be screwed over when those same groups make a mad grab for privilege with SHTF. Which is exactly what happened during this election. i bring up the election and the bw who hillary because while other groups were shopping around (in private of course while they smiled in our faces) who was going to bring THEM the most good. Black women collectively got screwed and left making the sacrifices. Everyone else turned tail and ran for the hills. Which (as i said the election is just another droop in the bucket.) is what always seems to happen. I’m not even speaking about the bw who made an informed decision to vote for hillary. But the ones who simply voted for her because other “allies” wanted them to. As one of the commenters mentioned. There is always the idea of ownership of black votes *especially* black women. In this election there was just the assumption that black women would automatically give HRC votes even though she had done NOTHING for black women in all her time in office. I find that disturbing. I actually didn’t vote for trump either so don’t think this is me saying Loose cannon trump is a great choice. I voted third party.

      Ultimately I want black women to keep their options open and make their choices because they *want to* and its best for them. *Not* because other groups are using them as a zombie voting block. Does that make any sense?

      Fact of the matter is, WITH ANY ELECTION, people who vote are going to cast their votes “ACROSS THE SPECTRUM” of choices. People have a VARIETY of values/views which they DO NOT ALL “prioritize” THE SAME WAY.

      Politics is A VERY “touchy subject” for A LOT of people. And, the TRUTH is that MANY, if not MOST, people have difficulty listening to/accepting viewpoints/choices DIFFERENT than their own–ESPECIALLY, if said choices are “in opposition” to their own views/stances. Here, you have heard from A FEW people their voting decisions and THEIR REASONS for voting the way they did. NOT EVERYONE will find the reasons/justifications “ACCEPTABLE”. THAT’S just “THE WAY IT IS”, and I think people need to consider their own ability to accept the INEVITABLE DIFFERENCES in perspectives, before engaging in these conversations.

      There comes a certain point when people,have decided how they feel about your “conclusion”, and NO AMOUNT of “reconfiguring”, “re-presenting” YOUR “CASE” will make a difference. Either you can “accept” what another has chosen and “continue the relationship”, or you can decide said differences are “IRRECONCILABLE”, and the relationship will “fall apart”.

      That’s why I, personally, think MOST people should avoid discussing politics. And, that’s why I have “a policy” of not discussing them at work. People may be WONDERFUL friends and supporters, but that doesn’t mean their political views will be what you EXPECT. If someone is SINCERELY “good to you” and “respects” you, ACCEPT IT, and respect THEIR “RIGHT” to their own values and principles.

        • Thank you for replying and that does make everything clearer and I agree politics is a touchy subject that’s why I stay neutral at work. Besides I know many of my co workers voted for Trump and it doesn’t serve me well to discuss how I view him and his upcoming term. Like I said in my comment it doesn’t matter. He’s gonna be president. Sometimes I wish there were better options then the two party system here in the U.S. cause the one thing I hate about the democrats is their weakness. They picked a horrible candidate and now are all peace let’s give him a chance. At least the republicans are strong and hold a line even if it was doing nothing for the last 4-6 years to cripple Obama. The democrats however are already rolling over and we know that the republicans were not gonna roll over if HRC won.

        • Shaymore,

          Hillary wanted her chance to win. She had a lot of “clout” in the party, so THEY GAVE it to her. I’m just personally hoping things can “calm down” SOONER rather than later, as there is A LOT of “TENSION in the air”.

          I’ve been building a collection of picture books from all of the U.S., and I just ordered books for ten more states today. The sample pictures I saw were SO BEAUTIFUL. The U.S. REALLY is a “BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY”. I REALLY hope we can get back to PEACE and focus on restoring our country and each other. WE REALLY can accomplish some WONDERFUL THINGS, if we TRY.

    • Shaymore,

      You asked, “Hi I’m one of the 94% I’m just really curious are you actually calling the BW who voted for HRC mammies.”

      If you do a Control + F search for the commenter named chrism31, you’ll see the answers given to a similar question she raised in her comment dated 11-15-16 at 6:52 pm. The short version answer to your question is “No.” Please see the blog host OneLessSoldier’s response comment dated 11-16-16 at 6:16 am. She gives a detailed response there.

      From what I’ve read of various BWE and BW-centric bloggers’ reactions to the election, I wouldn’t characterize the conversations as simply “talking about” BW. The conversations I’ve seen (and this one that I’m participating in) have been more nuanced than that–with a focus on analysing how BW in America got ourselves into such a disempowered, taken-for-granted state in terms of politics. In terms of this conversation, there have only been a few voices supporting Trump with a variety of responses from other commenters.

      Everyone’s mileage may vary, but it seems pretty clear to me that what BW have done politically up to this point has not served us well and has led to the negative observations that discussion participants have taken note of–BW’s votes being taken for granted, no allies, other people speak a sense of entitlement and ownership over our participation and choices, etc.

      Our collective political habit up of mobilizing to support Democrats (as well as mobilizing to support Republicans before the point in history when Blacks made the mass political party switchover that you described in your comment) *without* demanding upfront rewards (specific policies, legislation, appointments, etc.) in exchange for our political support has not served us well, and has now placed us in an extremely vulnerable position.

      I believe African-Americans are on the cusp of another Reconstruction-era level of disenfranchisement. What we’ve been doing politically so far did not prevent us ending up in that posture. By contrast, there are other minority demographics such as the Jews, the Cubans in Miami, and the Mormons who get what they need and want regardless of who is in office. Yes, I know that our collective circumstances (and slavery-induced lack of group cooperation and unity) are very different than theirs. But they’re still multiple long-term examples of how its possible for minority populations to more effectively navigate American politics. My bottom line is that I think we need to figure out a new strategy because what we’ve been doing has gotten us into a very bad, very dangerous spot.

      • Thank you so much for replying and making it clear what this article was stating, and you’re right the democrats haven’t offer BW much but I do believe the republicans offer BW even less, unless you have the finances to calmly support them. Republicans are for the upper class and for the laborers who believe through campaign messages that they are for the working class. Republicans have never done anything for the working class other than push them towards being members of the permanent under class but they still blindly support them. I see this election however as an opportunity for BW more than anyone else especially younger BW. If we could turn this election into a positive by staying neutral and not aligning ourselves with any one side either through protests or supporting the other side. If we could simply have a wait and see plan during the next primaries and not throw our voting weight around all together at that time. I believe if we did that the two major parties would start fighting over our voting blocks or at least the democrats would start sweating and as of now I’m not liking the direction of the democrats anyway. They want to move more right/center and I’m not here for it so if they do I’m gonna be playing the wait and see option next time and weighing my options. I hope that made sense I just see this as a opportunity for BW not a time of lamenting. If we could turn it around and make them fight over us instead of being taken for granted it would benefit us even more. If I were a republican and saw that stat I would be thinking of ways to make democrats lose that dependable voting block. I would want that for my party and the only way for the republicans to do that is to court us and then the democrats would have to react accordingly or sit and wait like they do and act surprised when turns bad.

        • Shaymore,

          You’re welcome!

          I expect the Democrats to continue moving rightward in an attempt to appease the White [often racist] working class. Which never works. The Democrats have been doing that (and backstabbing their African-American constituency along the way) since Bill Clinton was in office. That’s a large part of how the Democratic party has ended up in this spot. They have repeatedly failed to fight against various moves the Republicans have been making that served to weaken their core base of voters.

          The Democrat establishment’s failure to fight back against Republican gerrymandering is just one of many examples of how the Democrats have repeatedly allowed the Republican party to screw them over.
          https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-power-that-gerrymandering-has-brought-to-republicans/2016/06/17/045264ae-2903-11e6-ae4a-3cdd5fe74204_story.html?utm_term=.f4f2d2fdcc26

          I think large part of it is the naivete of many Democratic politicians and voters. Pres. Obama, Pres. Bill Clinton and others foolishly continued trying to appease and reach out to Republican politicians and voters who made/make no bones about hating them and being committed to blocking any policy they support (even it’s identical to policies designed and supported by other Republican politicians). That’s weak, punk-like behavior and it always fails. Miserably.

          Watching gullible, naive Democratic politicians like Pres. Obama has made me deeply appreciate the traditional Democratic party machine in Chicago (please be clear—Pres. Obama was never part of Chicago’s Democratic party machine; he’s always been an outsider to the local machine). The local traditional [often racist] White Democratic party machine knows how to fight, how to fight back, and how to fight to WIN. And best of all, they know how to punish rival politicians who try to mess them over. The local [racist] traditional White Democratic party machine kept Chicago and most of Illinois in the “blue” camp despite large numbers of local [racist] White “Reagan Democrat” voters. And they kept Illinois in the blue camp now, despite the presence of large numbers of local [racist] White Trump voters.

          These gullible, kumbaya-type Democratic politicians need to go; and I hope BW stop supporting them. Since they’re too weak and gullible to fight to protect their voting base’s interests, what value are they?

        • Khadija.

          YES. I remember learning about the Democratic “machine” in Chicago. I remember the professor discussing how the Irish (historically CASTIGATED in this society) used the machine in Chicago to become the WEALTHIEST (or ONE of) and/or one of the most POLITICALLY POWERFUL ETHNIC GROUPS in THIS COUNTRY.

          BLACKS (Americans) could learn “A THING OR TWO” from THE IRISH.

          AND Amish, as you’ve previously mentioned. I remember reading/learning that Amish businesses have THE LOWEST “failure rate” of ALL NEW BUSINESSES in THIS COUNTRY. My dad has a close relationship with the Amish. He hires them for MANY of their services, and they REALLY LIKE/CARE for him AS A PERSON. They even have them over to their homes to spend time with their families. My parents are divorced, and I’m glad to see how he also has another “family” in this community. They REALLY ARE wonderful PEOPLE.

  22. I was not in the 94%, but I respect the decision of those BW who were in the 94%. I believe, generously, that BW were voting against the perceived inexperience, racism and reactionary intolerance of Donald Trump which would negatively affect them; and less generously, I believe the 94% vote was a validation (undeserved in my humble opinion) of Pres. Obama’s policies.

    But I find that the conclusion which is being drawn from the 53% WW vote to Trump — that WW voted their privilege to be woefully misinformed. Like most Americans, I think many Trump supporters know that his ego, attention (deficit) and business passion will only afford him one term (4 years) in the White House. Everyone believes we can survive 4 years of Trump (or we sure as hell betta hope we can). WW, for those who only see through grass greener on the on side shades, might be voting for their survival rather than their privilege:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/life-lessons-from-a-small-town-undertaker-as-white-women-die-younger-in-america/2016/08/20/a1e64d76-60b6-11e6-af8e-54aa2e849447_story.html

    And that article is not even the blockbuster study on white middle-aged mortality by the Dartmouth economics professors Deaton and Case.

    And if not for their own survival, perhaps the vote is for those of their children with respect to the heroin epidemic :

    http://dailycaller.com/2015/09/14/americas-heroin-epidemic-fueled-by-flood-of-illegal-immigrants/

    Have we missed these two biggest stories in the last two years as we bash what appears to be BW mindlessly supporting the Democrats while simultaneously convicting WW of voting their privilege and not for their survival or at least the repudiation of some of Pres. Obama’s directives? Furthermore, how do we not know these BW maybe voting to stay “neutral, predictable and under the radar” as is advised here?
    We are looking at AI (artificial intelligence), robotics, zero labor factories, STEM requirements for learning and that is going to affect EVERYONE a propos job creation. When corporate America and TPTB roll on White America for putting in an outsider for their “revolt”, they have their “guns and bibles”. What do we as BW have?

    We are a voting bloc that can be flipped (maybe) but that definitely needs to be analyzed; perhaps even crafted out of the black community to be viewed and analyzed separate and apart therefrom. The recriminations (which are not necessary) about BW voting 94% for Hillary are not justified, but rather our lack of how to parlay that into a self-serving voting block is.

    Let’s not swear we can speak for all sistahs – there are too many layers to this that will take focus groups, online discussions, BS salon meetings, etc. Will the Democrats make the disciplined effort to do so? Your guess is as good as mine. Be keen as to the choices and challenges of WW as prognosticators of what is to trickle down to us rather than relying on default judgments from only a cursory analysis.

    I will say one thing to women about the influence of a Trump presidency: Heels, hose, high hemmed skirts, warpaint, big hair and nails. It’s the 80s again so I hope y’all know what a high class call girl looks like and how to look like one.

    Stay observant while in neutral.

    Much luv,

    • “I will say one thing to women about the influence of a Trump presidency: Heels, hose, high hemmed skirts, warpaint, big hair and nails. It’s the 80s again so I hope y’all know what a high class call girl looks like and how to look like one.”

      Now, THAT’S FUNNY! (but, LIKELY TRUE)

      I’LL SAY THIS:

      I’d rather put on “makeup and heels” than “COMBAT FATIGUES”.

      Men like Trump DO prefer (their) women in more “conventional “, “feminine” roles. THAT’S FINE WITH ME. YOU provide the “money and protection”. I’LL provide the “pampering and nurturing “. I DO like more “traditional” roles. I just live life according to what’s PRAGMATIC for the AA woman EXPERIENCE.

      • Didn’t mean to be funny, but when I mentioned the 80s, I was rethinking a time when working women were objectified and judged solely on looks, but a Trump White House will set the tone. But, we will all have to fall in line. I will need a minute to mediate on this.

        • Mimi,

          I was a kid in the 80s, so I remember Fashion, music, and Reagan being President, but I didn’t have thoughts/awareness of women’s experiences in the workforce.

          I’m hearing many concerns about a rolling back of various rights and liberties. I’m HOPING none of that happens, and Trump’s platform CENTERED on national security/secure borders, returning jobs and economic investment to the U.S. I believe and hope those are his PRIMARY AIMS. And, I think “Evangelicals/the Christian Right” will keep”checks” on the promotion of “call girl” behavior/template establishment –though I DO ALSO remember the heavily made face and”garish ” appearance of Tammy FayeBaker. AND, that whole SCANDAL.

        • PLUS, Trump has Melania at home. Furthermore, she and his daughters have always presented themselves well and CONSERVATIVELY (in appearance), since he’s been on the campaign.

  23. Another comment on what it means to “be a citizen” -and the responsibilities that “citizenship” entails:

    I know another man who is international. Nice person. Intelligent. Hard working. All of that. Another person who lives in the U.S. And “complains” about it. But, he’s not a “problem individual” by ANY means.

    I don’t know what initially led this man to leave his country, but his family and economic INTERESTS are there. But, he won’t go back. Not even to VISIT. You know WHY? Because his country REQUIRES ALL MALE CITIZENS to serve in the military for a certain number of years (I think 4 or so), and he’s scared to go into the military. I actually felt VERY SAD for his country, because a country cannot survive without citizens who are willing to SACRIFICE for it. And, his refusal to join the military HAS NOTHING to do with his religious beliefs, as his faith believes war is sometimes necessary (as CHRISTIANITY does).

    I think there is now this “notion” or “DESIRE” for countries to “exist” or “become ideal” by “strokes of a pen on a piece of paper”. But, if you think about it, the ideas written down on paper espoused and supported by certain societies ONLY BECAME “fundamental founding principles” AFTER certain people were willing to “take up arms”, risk their lives and their wellbeing/”SECURITY” on behalf of their promotion and ACTUALIZATION.

    Going against the King of England WAS BOLD (if you consider “world powers” at that time). Going against the King of France WAS BOLD. The Civil Rights Movement WQS BOLD. And, so on and so forth. These people faced the plank, the guillotine, hanging, being drawn and quartered, being burned ALIVE, having their lands and wealth confiscated, ETC. THAT’S EXTREME compared our gas chambers and lethal injections or “checklists” for naturalization . That was THE TRUE “expense” of LIBERTY–liberties we are still enjoying TODAY . And, we SHOULD NEVER forget the TRUE COST.

  24. Well, if anyone is interested in trying to affect change “from the inside”, the Trump administration site has a link to “Serve America”. I don’t know what opportunities may be available. But, maybe, if you have some type of educational background and experience in government affairs, there may be an opportunity for you. I’m actually wishing “a little bit” that I had more education and work experience in political science and the law, so that I could possibly be a candidate to participate in th direction of the country moving forward. Here’s the link:

    https://www.greatagain.gov/serve-america.html

    They ALSO have an area where you can share how YOU would like to “make America great again”. And, you can register for updates from the transition team.

    These opportunities for “participation” may APPEAL to SOME of you.

    • I just clicked on the “application” link, and I was able to view A WIDE VARIETY of departments, functions, focus areas, etc. It sounds like some positions would require CONSIDERABLE, ADVANCED experience. But, MAYBE, there’s a spot for people with excellent education, internship, volunteering, nonprofit, or OTHER development exeperiences. FOR ONCE having work experience with my political science degree or planning seems like it could have possibly “cracked” a door I would be curious to see “opened”.

      SIGH…

      But, IT DOES make one think about potential opportunities they never CONSIDERED before.

      • @Formative,

        My suggestion would be for you to fill out the application..It’s important to know that there are positions that are not listed for the public, so don’t let the requirements of the posted positions scare you off.

        Each applicant will need to get through the government clearance process before they can on board, so someone with a boatload of education and skills will be rejected if they can’t get through the application process and someone with less skills, however meets the minimum required education and skills and gets through the application process could very well be hired.

        Yes, government jobs look at what your education and skills are, however they know that there will be applicants that have just the education, and they are open to training and many do train new hires on the job. So go for it! 👍🏽

        • Hi, Sheri!

          I actually just recently accepted another position, and I have another plan in mind for my future and career development. But, THANKS for the ENCOURAGEMENT, though. I APPRECIATE IT!

          I was actually thinking quite a bit about those recent grads who may be thinking of ways they can “get into the door” or gain access to “experience ” that could boost their FUTURE CAREERS. I was ALSO trying to illustrate ways people could become involved, from the inside, if they are concerned about the potential direction of the country or just PLAIN ole WANT TO HELP! Plus, being involved with a person/institution DIRECTLY allows you to develop an opinion that isn’t BASED upon the words/analyses of OTHERS.

          I REALLY DO want to see things IMPROVE for this country. We’ve been through A LOT, but our history shows we’re a TENACIOUS society, and I’M not “COUNTING US OUT”, YET!

    • S.B.,

      Thank you for sharing this vid. This is a very FRUSTRATING time for people ALL OVER THE WORLD. And, from what the economist stated, it seems like the sentiments have similar roots and are “snowballing” in effect.

      I can honestly say my vote for Trump was a vote IN OPPOSITION to “globalist” control and governance. I know for SOME people, the Affordable Care Act was a “MAJOR ISSUE”. Hillary’s EMAIL “scandal” was a “MAJOR ISSUE”. Supreme Court justice selection was a “MAJOR ISSUE”. But, the impact/potential implications of globalism for our society was a (even “THE”) primary concern of mine.

      I feel/see TWO different things going on (OF COURSE, more things are going on THAN THAT). I see people feeling economically stressed and being “worried” about the impact of globalization. I also see people/societies starting to demand LOYALTY/RECIPROCITY from people entering their borders and living under their “auspices”. OF COURSE, societies have a history of “prejudice”/”ethnocentrism “. But, to say everything is about “-PHOBIAS” and “-ISMS” is to COMPLETELY IGNORE/DISREGARD societal acceptance/admission of various groups OVER THE YEARS. FURTHERMORE, it ignores the legitimate concerns, realities, and CONFLICTS that exist.

      PEOPLE are DEMANDING “LOYALTY “. They ALSO want to “protect” THEIR IDENTITY. THAT’S not “unreasonable”, IMO.

      Let’s take the U.S., as an example. We have people of ALL/MOST races in our borders. Some of the religious groups represented include: Buddhist, Judaism, Jain, Mennonites, Sikhs, Hindus, Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Taoism, Quakers, Mormons, Wiccans, Satanists, Aethists, Agnostics, indigenous religions, Santeria, Voodoo, Witchcraft, Confuscionism, Shinto, the Haley’s comet people, spiritualists, Baha’i, Greek Orthodox, Episcopalian, Scientologists, Coptics, and so forth. To act this nation is just “BIGOTED” is to deny THE TRUTH of its tolerance and to simplify/erase LEGITIMATE CONCERNS about “CONGRUENCE” and “IDENTITY”. SOME things “coexist” more easily than OTHERS. And, when things don’t “mix” well, they tend to stay SEPARATE. And, when A SOCIETY feels a need to “SEPARATE” they are going to make a decision about which identity they are going to “CLAIM” and which identity they are going to “REJECT”.

      Just like in chemistry…some substances form “compounds” when they are mixed together, others don’t.

      I’M JUST HOPING these issues can be attenuated without leading to MASS CHAOS for the world no for people.

  25. “The Battle of Chile: Part 2” is on Turner Classic Movies, RIGHT NOW. Part 1 just ended. I didn’t know it would be on. I’m wondering if this is a vid we watched in lecture. But, if you want to see real life footage of what’s happening in a country leading up to and during a military coup, this is a GOOD SOURCE.

    VERY hard to watch.

  26. So…I’m traveling out of state for the holidays. Im not driving. Im listening to music with my eyes closed half the time. So, anyway, I happen to turn my head and look out the window and see individual signs saying (to the best of my recollection)

    “Young thugs” (which caught my attention, as I am in the country surrounded by farmland)

    “If a teacher”

    “Should shoot back”

    “Guns save lives”

    (Something of that nature)

    YOU.HAVE.BEEN.WARNED.

    (INTERESTINGLY, I actually have “Pistols at Dawn” by Seinabo Sey, playing on my iPhone, as I see this. HONESTLY.)

    • Simone made some VERY GOOD POINTS, in this vid. I ALSO thought Trump’s non-adherence to political correctness helped him this campaign. I think people ARE TIRED of feeling unable to be honest about their concerns and what they think is going on in the society around them.

      I, also, hope BW take her advice and look for opportunities “TO WIN” under this Trump administration. I think some BW will miss out, because they are so accustomed to only “seeking out” or “accepting” things when said “things” match their template of expectation. THAT type of approach will likely prove to be a MAJOR “DISSERVICE” to their interests in the long run.

      I feel Simone is right in her analysis that certain lifestyle behaviors/choices are going to start having FAR greater consequences than they have had in the past. And, BW who maintain connections to “unwise”, “antagonistic” BM are going to share in the punishment and BACKLASH they receive.

      I’m also HAPPY that she mentioned her experiences when she travels abroad. I think the U.S. needs to “get a clue” and start becoming more vigilant about the protection of its citizens and nation AS WELL.

      And, I AGREE WITH HER. I’d RATHER KNOW who is a “devil” in my world, rather than having my judgment “obfuscated” by flowery words and “rhetoric”.

      • This was pretty much my response to Khadija. Actually, I am not sure why black women are so sad? We actually need to be thankful to God Hilary did not win. God has truly spared our lives. White women are not our friends; Mexicans are not our friends; Indians are not our friends; and arabs most definitely are not are friends. So why exactly are we crying. Although, I respect everyone’s vote, I am extremely disappointed in black women voting 94% in one direction. It is stunning. I am not upset so much b/c I dislike the canadiate, but b/c it makes black women look monolithic. The voting percentages show that significant portions of all the major peoples understood the threats upon this country was great to not care about gender or making history; but black women thought that the main issue was voting for the first female president by 94%. It cannot be any other reason b/c Hilary did not appeal to black women at ALL I still believe white women want power over and black men want revenge on white men. I believe a significant portion saw that Hilary wouldn’t be the one to accomplish the goal. White women and black men are safer either way, they are the “minorities” that will be chosen to diversify the Trump Administration. And they will be visible.

        • Mars,

          I am not AT ALL “surprised” so many AA women voted for Hillary (the Democrats). I feel some were voting to advance Hillary, and I believe others were just voting Democrat because they believe that is the “safest” option for their “interests”. Khadija has written that all other groups feel free to “jump ship” EXCEPT AAs. I think that is very true.

          This election (and recent world events) helped me realize/helped me decide that I am (predominantly) NATIONALIST. I LOVE America, and that’s where my LOYALTIES lie. As I’ve said before, I care about other issues like affirmative action, racism, civil rights, poverty, etc, etc. However, over the past few/several years, I realized I was going to have to decide how I define MY “personal interests”, as so many of the aspects of those “interests” seemed to “collide”/”be in opposition”.

          ANOTHER thing I noticed is how my “views” did not (wholly) align with those of some who “share my identity”, are my friends, etc. THAT doesn’t mean I decided anyone was “bad” or “wrong” or the like. I just realized that I had a “view”, and “following along” with others based upon our “shared” identity, history, relationship, etc. was not NECESSARILY going to lead me to make decisions that were congruent with MY OWN values. I’m ALSO not saying I ever “followed along”. I’m just pointing out that thinking shared identity and friendship are enough to “guarantee” that if you trusted your shared other’s “CONCLUSIONS” to automatically “reflect” YOUR OWN, that MAY not be the case.

          So, back to what I was saying before. I looked at various factors related to the “AA plight”: poverty, broken homes, crime, lack of infrastructure, etc. I also looked at proposed/”assumed” solutions: welfare, affirmative action, abortion rights, etc. Now, I support social programs to help the needy and more vulnerable members of society (like the elderly/ill). I am not trying to suggest otherwise.

          IN CONJUNCTION, with looking at the “AA plight”, I ALSO looked at “AA CHOICES/ACTIONS”. Abandonment of families/children. Continued conception of children one can’t afford or properly care for. “ANTI-education” message of popular culture. “PRO-CRIMINALITY” message of popular culture. Tendency towards being “criminal apologists/protectionists” on the community level. “No Snitching” ideology. Denigration of BW and devaluation of black children (unless they’re “BIRACIAL”). MINIMAL TO NO reinvestment into AA communities and economic infrastructure by HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL AAs. NO STRONG PUSH to establish AA “self-sufficiency” (and I’m not talking about “pulling yourself up by your bootstraps”, I’m talking about having means to independently provide your own food, shelter, water/land, and whatever you need to “survive” LIFE ON EARTH–not just, “white oppression”).

          So, since AAs SHOW they have no interest in protecting, providing for, investing in, uplifting, AAs, in general, or AA women, SPECIFICALLY, *I* decided that my GREATEST asset (outside of myself AND GOD, of course) is my AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP. THAT is what provides me the most “opportunities”, “protections”, and “pathways” into the world AT LARGE. So, I strive to “preserve” my interests as AN AMERICAN…FIRST. I decided to see “AMERICAN” interests as “MY” interests. Some (MANY) AAs will NEVER DO THAT, because they are “invested in”/”committed to” seeing the United States as their “PRIMARY” and “IMMORTAL” ENEMY. THERE’S really nothing I CAN DO about that. IT’S UNFORTUNATE.

          But, AA women will always have “differences”/”disagreements”, because THAT IS THE “NATURE OF LIFE”. But, I suspect, there will ALSO be A LARGE degree of uniformity in behavior/choice because THAT’S how AAs have been socialized to think and ALSO how they have (politically) “SURVIVED” in this country. *I* just think that HISTORICAL approach NOW leaves us “hanging on by a thread” rather than THRIVING.

          I ACCEPT that my views will likely “be in the minority” for a LONG time, if not “ALWAYS”. But, FOR ME, choosing “America First” IS choosing ME “first” (not talking about “in relation to God” or anything like that).

  27. WOW! Florence Henderson (mom from “Brady Bunch”) died, yesterday. My cousin used to LOVE that show. I always thought she was SO PRETTY! I can still hear her say, “Mike,” in MY head.

    SO SAD to see people go. But, AT LEAST she was loved and she wasn’t left alone. As a nurse, sometimes, you will be the only one staying with a patient during their passing (for a variety of reasons). It ALWAYS makes me “SO HAPPY” to see people who are (being) GENUINELY LOVED.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv/brady-bunch-mother-florence-henderson-dies-82-article-1.2886657

    • @Formavitae

      China doesn’t play and they shouldn’t. Brilliant. I think it is good to know what is going on in other countries. America doesn’t exist in a vacuum; and there are many people coming from different countries in the US, so it would be good for AA women to have an idea of their world view. In the age of the internet, there is really no excuse; but I guess ignorance is bliss.

      • Mars,

        No. IT REALLY DOESN’T (play). I followed the links to a couple other articles, and a Chinese official was saying that other countries don’t take China’s challenges with terrorism SERIOUSLY and that it’s often written off as “ethnic conflict”. I know *I* didn’t realize China was dealing with problems with terrorism. The Chinese (Asian) government(s) is (are) “HARD CORE”, but THEY STILL have the right to defend their country and their people.

  28. CHINA DOESN’T PLAY.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/24/asia/china-xinjiang-passports/index.html

    Just happened to see this article. I LOVE seeing/learning about people/countries ALL OVER THE WORLD (though I AM nationalist). This article has two different sets of photos. They are lovely to look at and give another “glimpse” of China.

    As an aside [TRULY “separate “–because I don’t want to detract from the seriousness of the article], if you look at photo 16 in the second set (which I RECOMMEND you do), you’d think they were seeing K- K s doctors.

    😉

    • mmmm….Not so much “RANDOM” thoughts as “HODGE PODGE” thoughts

      So, my Thanksgiving family visit WENT WELL. I actually had some information “CORRECTED”. I said my grandmother had two sons overseas during Vietnam. She actually had FOUR. My dad and his brother were fighting (separately) in Vietnam, and two of their brothers were stationed in Germany. Fortunately, ALL of them came home “safe and sound”.

      You know I LOVE Old Hollywood movies, and one movie that does a good job of highlighting the patriotism and sacrifices of many families is “The Fighting Sullivans” (1944). It is the story of ONE family who ended up losing ALL FIVE OF THEIR SONS (at the SAME TIME, unfortunately) during war. This loss led the U.S. Navy to change its rules on allowing family members to serve on the same ship during war. When all the brothers decided to enlist (the oldest brother was already in the navy), THEY INSISTED that they serve together. And, they were going to watch out for their (newly married) baby brother together. It’s a film worth seeing. It helps you appreciate the prices paid by citizens on behalf of this country. Here is a link to the movie synopsis:

      http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article/235375%7C0/The-Fighting-Sullivans.html

      I once had a patient (SUPER CUTE) who the doctor wanted to stay in the hospital overnight. He was willing to consider the doctor’s request, but he was concerned about how his wife would be cared for if he should stay in the hospital. He HAD to be in his late 80s if not 90s, and he was still caring for his wife AT HOME. Fortunately, care was arranged for both he AND his wife. But, NOT ONLY, am I remembering his “cuteness” and his devotion to his wife, I’m remembering that he served in the military and actually went to war. He told me a story of how they had shot down a Japanese fighter plane and found the pilot was still alive. The pilot was a 14 year old kid. He said they let the kid out and were going to send him home, and the kid BEGGED them to take him to America. The kid said he was afraid to go home, because his parents would be ASHAMED of him for not dying for the Emperor.

      …I also remember my dad telling me about how the local people would send little kids out with grenades….

      Sometimes, CHILDREN end up being “fighters” in wars TOO.

      (That’s why I always, personally, take those “casualty” numbers with “a grain of salt”.)

      Whenever I’m out and see a service person (at the store, for example), I always go up to them and thank them personally for their service on behalf of our country. I want them to know THEY ARE APPRECIATED.
      _______________________________________________

      I’m am in NO WAY trying to be “accusatory”, “incendiary”, “antagonistic”, or anything of the kind. But, something that I’ve always SINCERELY wondered about the various groups/peoples who want to come here yet “critique” (HARSHLY) our society is to answer the following:

      Why did you choose to come to THIS particular country instead of another?
      Why didn’t you move to a country founded upon a similar cultural and religious foundation to your own?
      Why didn’t your culture/religion produce a society “similar” to ours, since our religion and values seem to be of “marginal consequence” in your eyes and should be adjusted to match YOURS?
      WHY do you want to stay in a country you view as “hostile” that makes you miserable?
      Why do SO MANY people from cultures/religions SIMLILAR to yours keep trying to come to countries with culture/religion similar to mine?

      I “just don’t get it”. JUST like “I don’t get” black people who want to move to neighborhoods where people spray pain “N-gger” on the side of their house and/or set it on fire. I MUST be “missing” SOMETHING.
      ________________________________________________

      STOP THINKING ASIANS ARE “WEAK”.

      I had SEVERAL thoughts about this. But, I ain’t going into all of that, right now, because I’ve already written a whole lot. I WILL make A FEW points, though:

      If ANYBODY will “kill yo *ss”, AN ASIAN will–ESPECIALLY, if they think “it’s in the interest of the family”.

      I think many Americans assume that because Asians are “quiet” and “smaller” in stature that they are “weak”, “compliant”, and “timid”. Well…LOOK at what Asians have done (to each other AND their own) THROUGHOUT HISTORY and see if it indicates “weak”, “compliant”, or “timid”. Indian Hindus light themselves on fire, while still alive, to protest. TO PROTEST. Light THEMSELVES on fire, while living, breathing, thinking, etc. WHAT do you think they are willing to do to YOU?

      That’s why I was SO HAPPY when Pacquaio beat Mayweather (and I don’t even LIKE/WATCH boxing). I’m just tired of this notion that “the black (non-Asian) guy” is AUTOMATICALLY “stronger”, “braver”, etc. Hell…President Duterte of the Phillipines call Obama an SOB and told him to “go to hell”. What was OBAMA’S RESPONSE? To CANCEL A FORMAL MEETING that was planned. The “MEETING” (discussion) WAS UNNECESSARY! DUTERTE’S objective was to “INFORM” you, not to “BE INFORMED” BY you. So, OBJECTIVE MET. “Conversation” HELD.AND.CLOSED. And, the fact that YOU, Obama, hadn’t figured that out let’s me know Harvard didn’t “educate” you “ENOUGH”. And, on the “world stage”. THE “WORLD STAGE”. Here’s something I’m reading about Obama’s response:

      “Mr. Obama shrugged off the comments, saying he didn’t take it personally and confirmed he shook Mr. Duterte’s hands.” (source: The Independent, “Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte on Obama insult: I never called him a ‘son of a who re'”

      Obama may be 6, 7 feet tall, but he “got his *ss WHOOPED by a Filipino, WITHOUT A PUNCH”!

      Should’ve learned from Mayweather….

      I have a nice, Asian colleague (who is older). She married a white American Jew. She told me her husband THOUGHT he was marrying a (paraphrased) nice, quiet, docile Asian woman. NOT AT ALL. She’s less than 5 feet tall.

      Imma TELL you somethin’: some of these “lil’ quiet, 4’11” Asians” will be done “MURKED” yo *ss!

      Something else…

      I’m into true crime, and I remember reading about/watching shows about the murders of the student nurses by Richard Speck. Basically, he went into a dorm of nursing students and killed ALL of them–EXCEPT ONE. And, he DID it by using their “concern” for each other. First, he gathered them all together in a room. Then, he took each one off to a room, separately, and killed them. ONLY ONE survived, and she was an Asian student (I believe, from the Philippines). She said, in her testimony, that when she saw him, she recognized that look he had on his face/in his eyes, because she had seen the SAME LOOK from the bad men who attacked in villages back home. WICKEDNESS. So, when he was out of the room, she ran to another room and hid under a bed until the ordeal was over. This woman/girl DISCRIMINATED, and it SAVED HER LIFE. Those who utilized the “kumbaya”/”pacifist” approach ENDED UP DEAD. EVERY. LAST. ONE.

      You can look up the story, if you WANT to.
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      An AA lady who farms told me that some AAs view farming as “slave work”. (Sigh) SO many AAs have difficulty accepting our past. I’ll be honest…as BEAUTIFUL as some plantation homes are, I NEVER want to live in a house that reminds me of a plantation. THAT ASIDE, there are some VERY PRACTICAL AND BENEFICIAL SKILLS one develops from knowing how to “work the land”, “cultivate soil”, “grow crops”, “tend animals”, etc. AAs should not avoid learning skills that are critical to SURVIVAL, just because they may remind us of PAINFUL ASPECTS of our history.
      ________________________________________

      WORD OF CAUTION: Today, I was typing something for my mother in MS Word 2016. At one point, there was a colon followed by a closing parenthesis. As I continued typing, I noticed there was a “smiley face” at the end of the previous sentence. So, I went back, deleted the “smiley”, and retyped the characters. Fortunately, the program did not automatically convert it into a “smiley” again. I just wanted to FOREWARN you, in case you needed to type some “important papers”. (I wouldn’t want you to turn in your dissertation full of random “smileys”–PARTICULARLY, if you were addressing something “SERIOUS” or “SOMBER”).

      Lol.

      🙂

      THAT particular “smiley” was INTENTIONAL.

      😀

        • THANK you, for correcting me, JaliliMaster. As I said, I don’t watch boxing. MY ERROR. Pacquiao beat BRADLEY JR., in the ring. I only know because I skimmed an article headline w/picture in the past. I was wrong about the name (which makes a difference), but I KNEW I saw that he beat a black boxer. Since you pointed that out, I got the name right…Timothy Bradley Jr.

    • See, I don’t blame them at all. If you were in their shoes and had the opportunity to do something similar, and, in essence, get something for nothing, eat off other people’s hard work and sacrifice, etc, especially when the alternative is going back to whatever country you are from and continuing to live in relative poverty, most of us would try to game the system as well. After all, you would have nothing to lose, seeing as there are two likely scenarios. The first, and most likely, is that they will be allowed through based on their sham info/identities. The second, and given the current (and to a lesser extent previous) administrations actions, less likely scenario is that hey are immediately turned back.

      When it comes to folks, companies, other entities, etc, trying to take advantage and game the system, whether it’s in cases such as these with illegal immigrants, or companies (and other wealthy individuals) who try to scheme their way out of paying any real tax, etc. I blame it on the government and lawmakers who continue to allow these things to happen by leaving gaping loopholes in place.

  29. http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/13/wrn-france-marine-le-pen-intv.cnn

    This is one of the candidates running for the French Presidency. Just happened to watch this vid early this morning. It’s around 4:03, but her statement at the end somewhat “reflects a thought I was thinking of sharing.

    This thought is one I had yesterday. I read two news articles. One was about a gang shooting of a 7 year old kid, and the other was about “squads”. The 7 y.o. Kid had been out with his mother and others. His mom and a man went inside a convenience store. The owner said they were agitated and not shopping, but rather talking into the phone about being followed and needing backup. Then a shooter stood in the street and shot into the car, killing the boy and injuring another teen. Initially, the mother and man did not want to reveal the name of th shooter, but I guess someone overheard them saying it during the call and told the police.

    This was HER 7 y.o. Son killed, and SHE DIDNT WANT TO NAME THE SHOOTER?

    And, the “squads” article was about groups of kids (some even as young as 10) who get together and beat/kick people. I guess these “squads” have ties to other official gangs.

    These articles made me want to say the following to AA women: It’s time to “CUT YOUR LOSSES”. Why I’m saying this ALSO ties into the comment at the end of the vid I linked.

    In general, whites DO NOT like to “drag out” their “problem states”. This is what I mean. Lets take the Civil War, as an example (VERY SIMPLIFIED). The South was like, I’m tired of you telling me to do, I think we need to just go our separate ways. The North was like, no, we’re one country and we’re going to STAY that way. The South wasn’t trying to hear it, and both sides agreed to fight it out. Over 600,000 Americans DIED in that war. The North won. The Union is intact. Yes, there’s still some bitterness, but the North and South aren’t still fighting over secession.

    Whites tend to prefer a certain quality of life that is comfortable, and reasonably “peaceful”, allowing them to go about their activities without much stress or fear. They generally aren’t content to have bullets “whizzing” by their children’s heads on a daily basis for years on end (unlike AAs, who seem to think it’s important to be “understanding ” of these things) .

    WHY am I pointing this out?

    Khadija talked about the “peace walls”. I’m going to to add this. White people way “WALL you up” in a certain area, so they don’t have to deal with your issues. But, should they ever decide the area surrounded by those walls can “serve a better purpose”, they will get you out of there for “the GREATER GOOD “. Will it be by gentrification, buying you out, more prisons, acts of aggression, or other tactics? MUCH will depend upon what YOU/THOSE AROUND YOU do.

    AAs want to “understand”, “rehabilitate”, “think of their childhood”, “consider systematic oppression in America”, etc. etc. WE don’t HVE TIME for that. Whites have been VERY “patient”. But, their “patience” HAS LIMITS. WHITE people like to “solve a problem ” and MOVE ON.

    So, WHAT do YOU WANT, BW? Do you want to allow “problem sources” to be swiftly dealt with so that you can move forward in safety and peace, or do you want to be “politically correct”/”understanding” and end up with “an a e coming down on YOUR head” TOO?

    Even the French lady asked (more or less), do we want to be efficient about resolving the problem or have drawn out and more expensive engagements for the sake of political correctness.

    AA women don’t like to see ANYONE “hurt”, EVEN when said PERSON is in THE WRONG and HURTING OTHERS. If AAW don’t GET OVER that,things are going to get WAY more expensive–requiring “payment IN BLOOD”.

  30. This is a “TRYING” and “FRUSTRATING” time for everyone. EVERYONE. I have to admit, I’ve been VERY UPSET TOO. But, there is still a lot of GOOD in the world and MUCH GOOD TO BE DONE. I’m linking a very POIGNANT vid that I think is good for ALL people to see.

    • Marie Le Pen has always had her own agenda, one should keep that in mind. Her party may have put on “better clothes and wears better perfume” but it does not change the core essence of the party which is one that excludes everyone that does not fit its image of a French person….

      Concerning Hillary’s support of war, I do not disagree however, Trump’s recent overture to Taiwan was either a sign of his naiveté or limited understanding of geopolitics either of which are extremely dangerous. If he continues with such missteps, it could result in war at home and no longer being fought by proxy in other countries as has been the case over the last 50 years.

      The U.S. is no longer the super power it once was and would lose in a war against China and the Chinese would not necessarily have to use their military to do it.

      They already have the U.S in checkmate due to:

      1) being the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt
      2) they have been allowed to build components for the U.S. military (one can assume they have built “back doors” to take down U.S. military systems…)
      3) have significant spies working for technology and military enterprises in the U.S

      Largest foreign holder of U.S. debt:
      http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/ss/How-Much-US-Debt-Does-China-Own.htm

      Military components:
      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/17358-obama-pentagon-waived-ban-on-chinese-parts-in-u-s-weapons
      http://www.defensetech.org/2012/03/29/richard-clarke-all-u-s-electronics-from-china-could-be-infected/

      Espionage:
      http://observer.com/2016/04/the-unpleasant-truth-about-chinese-espionage/
      http://observer.com/2016/08/breaking-chinese-mole-uncovered-inside-the-fbi/
      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/11/espionage-arrest-of-nuclear-engineer-fuels-us-suspicions-of-chinese-tactics

      If there was a war, they still would have the upper hand:

      1) they have access to more natural resources as they “buy” and “occupy” Africa thanks to African “leadership” allowing it. They could outlast the U.S. in a long an protracted battle.
      2) They could mobilize far more troops than the U.S. and I doubt, with the current mood in other parts of the world, there would be much interest from other countries to “join” such a war.

      American citizens have the parties they continually support. Until they are ready to put in the effort to establish a multi-party system it will continue to be the choice of the lesser evil and in this election, unfortunately, there was no lesser evil.

      I sincerely hope that Trump does not trigger another war….

      • Karen, I agree entirely with your comment. I think you were spot on. From the reaction and general political environment over the past year and a half, it is clear that many others see it too. The one thing that gets people the most riled up/angry, even more than a feeling of being mistreated, oppressed, unfair treatment is the feeling that one is losing power/privilege/position etc in society. Look at the average white persons reaction to unfair treatment when the person they perceive as being on the ‘winning’ side is white. Compare that to how they would normally react when they think that someone non-white, in in particular any Black person, is faring better than them or has more influence/power. I believe that is the root of this whole anti-China talk.

        Folks like Trump know that if you play to their fears of not only a loss of power, but being dominated by an outsider group, that touches at the very soul of most yt folks identities and sense of self, even the most open minded ones. They have lived in a world where white folks (or to be specific, rich white folks), were the ones who had the most say and were dictating much of world policy, and from time to time, letting their electorate pretend that they had any kind of say in anything, all under the guise of ‘democracy’. Now that they see the immense amount of influence and power that China has, and will continue to have even more, and in a way that the West, specifically America, can no longer counter balance, it is feeding and stoking that fear.

        Trump is playing with fire, because if he keeps calling their bluff, they (the Chinese) might just do something where he then feels forced into a corner to respond, especially if his supporters start baying for blood. If should that happen, America will lose………bigly!

      • Yes, Karen.

        I TOO was very concerned by the potential implications of Trump’s call with the Taiwanese President. Fortunately, it seems the Chinese government is considering it as being a sign of his “political inexperience”. But, I’m hoping Trump gets some advisors with INTERnational political experience, not just national. HE NEEDS IT. And, China is not a country we need to get into major conflict with, at this point in time. I didn’t realize the Chinese were supplying parts for our military equipment. WHAT FOLLY! I SWEAR, this country and its people have been “SOLD OUT”! And, I TRULY HATE TRAITORS!

        I’m very interested to see what decisions European countries will be making in the near future, as it relates to involvement in the EU. I heard Austria elected an independent instead of a far right leader and prefers to stay within the EU. And, it will be interesting to see what events becomes of “Brexit”.

        Le Pen strikes me as wanting to protect French heritage and identity, and I AGREE. I DIDN’T used to think this way. But, now, I feel people/societies should “CEMENT” their place, identity, and history within the societies they establish. If “anyone”/”anything” can “BE” something, even if they are the ANTITHESIS in essence, that “SOMETHING” ceases to have meaning. I feel like we need to do the same in the U.S. We need to protect our history, resources, identity, cultural/religious/ideological heritage, AND language. I sympathize with movements in other societies with this objective. ASIANS have thought this way a LONG TIME.

        • Fortunately, it seems the Chinese government is considering it as being a sign of his “political inexperience”.
          I would not want to bet my life on this or the future of the West if Trump continues showing his ineptitude that China will continue to be gracious. His “political inexperience” is a dangerous liability based on his demonstrated behavior.

          Le Pen strikes me as wanting to protect French heritage and identity, and I AGREE. I DIDN’T used to think this way. But, now, I feel people/societies should “CEMENT” their place, identity, and history within the societies they establish. If “anyone”/”anything” can “BE” something, even if they are the ANTITHESIS in essence, that “SOMETHING” ceases to have meaning. I feel like we need to do the same in the U.S. We need to protect our history, resources, identity, cultural/religious/ideological heritage, AND language. I sympathize with movements in other societies with this objective. ASIANS have thought this way a LONG TIME.

          Be careful of what one wishes for…the U.S. identity that the “silent” majority of Americans that voted for Trump want may not necessarily include us…regardless of the “black” faces he puts in his cabinet.

        • Karen,

          As I said before, CHINA DOESN’T PLAY. So, I don’t doubt the Chinese government will push back if they think his “hardball” antics have “gone too far”. i’M REALLY HOPING the Republicans think about the international interests of the country and not just their national objectives. There are Republicans with experience in foreign affairs and policy who have a greater understanding of these things than Trump does. I’m hoping he gets people on his team with the knowledge, wisdom, and experience to help with these matters.

          I wouldn’t doubt there are MANY “Americans”, “silent majority ” OR NOT (see liberal areas with few to no AA residents), whose “ideal” image of “America” doesn’t include (many of) “US” (AAs). I’LL JUST SAY THIS: It’s up to *AAs* to EMBRACE and stand up for their identity as “Americans” and their place in American society. AAs have contributed GREATLY to the foundation of this country, and WHITES know this, whether they want to admit it or not. Furthermore, WE have been part of America LONGER than “the Klan”. WE NEED TO REMEMBER THIS.

          As far as “identity protection ” goes, I REMEMBER an East African who asked me where I was from telling me, “I am African-American too, I’m just from Africa.” (which is why I, PERSONALLY, do not like the term “African-American” for us). Ok. He and his people DO NOT share our ancestry, history, struggle, experience, language foundation, culture,etc. If AAs don’t start “checking” this, our “ladders”, “set asides”, business financing opportunities/businesses, prominent institutions, “representation”, etc. will eventually (likely) be filled with those who share NO ANCESTRY with us and have invested NO SACRIFICE in obtaining the privileges they claim and take for granted, while GENUINE AAs will probably be “disenfranchised” and “SHUT OUT” from the few vehicles, opportunities, and institutions that PURPORTEDLY “represent them”. Eventually, these groups will talk about the history and accomplishments of “AAs” in this country AS IF they were THEIR OWN. Think it can’t/won’t happen? LOOK AT EGYPT. WHO gets credit for Egyptian identity? WHO gets credit for Egyptian history? WHO gets credit for Egyptian historical fetes and mysteries? ARABS who didn’t even migrate to Africa en masse until AFTER Muhammad (LONG after great Egyptian civilization had been established).

          TRUE AAs (and we need a better/more accurate term) DO have a place in American society. It’s not our “black skin” and “nappy hair” that others are “FED UP” with (WE THINK that’s what others are “fed up” with, because that’s what WE’RE “fed up” with). People are fed up with the destructive/nonproductive elements of our society (which THEY feel no “obligation” to tolerate because they aren’t “their own”– And if you haven’t noticed, most societies DO deal with their “problem elements”. Today’s AAs just don’t want to because–GOD KNOWS WHY). It’s possible for AAs to live and function well within mainstream American society. That’s why I encourage them to live well, pursue productive activities, and cut off the fools. NO NEED to alienate yourself in YOUR OWN HOME that YOU built.

          “Chinese” means something. “Indian” means something. “Pakistani” means something. “Japanese” means something. “Korean” means something. “French” needs to mean something. And, “American” needs to mean something to. (BTW, my East Indian, Hindu ex WOULD TOTALLY AGREE with me on this, if he were in this conversation. People like his ALREADY THINK THIS WAY. THIS is just a new “way of thinking” TO AAS.)

          As far as I’M concerned, “American” does and SHOULD ALWAYS mean (primarily) those ORIGINAL PEOPLE who fought, bled, died, and sacrificed for its establishment. THAT NEEDS TO BE “SET IN STONE”. These OTHER people who just want to come along and get a piece of paper, make some money, take some benefits, but make no true BLOOD INVESTMENT into the country and the preservation of it’s ORIGINAL values and ideals, ARE NOT “TRUE” Americans. AND, NO, we shouldn’t allow our ideologies, values, culture, to be replaced with theirs, PARTICULARLY when it proves/shows itself to be fundamentally incompatible. I AGREE with Le Pen, keep that in private AT HOME.

          I’M NOT RACIST. I LOVE “HUMAN BEINGS”. But, I TOO have a history, heritage, culture, and identity, that I am UNWILLING to allow others to “READJUST/REDEFINE” simply because THEY want to.

        • TRASH LIKE THIS:

          http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story/33890691/mpd-says-girl-hit-by-car-attacked-while-walking-to-middle-school

          LET Trump “CLEAN HOUSE”.

          NOTICE, he “only had” *small* offenses like burglary and driving with a suspended license. Had he been shot by the cops, there are AAs (NOT ME) who would be protesting, rioting, looting businesses, burning buildings etc. There would be GoFundMe pages and other fundraisers. “Apology tours”, sermons, and tv interviews with BLM.

          THANK GOD, he didn’t KILL this baby.

        • —“As far as “identity protection ” goes, I REMEMBER an East African who asked me where I was from telling me, “I am African-American too, I’m just from Africa.” (which is why I, PERSONALLY, do not like the term “African-American” for us). Ok. He and his people DO NOT share our ancestry, history, struggle, experience, language foundation, culture,etc. If AAs don’t start “checking” this, our “ladders”, “set asides”, business financing opportunities/businesses, prominent institutions, “representation”, etc. will eventually (likely) be filled with those who share NO ANCESTRY with us and have invested NO SACRIFICE in obtaining the privileges they claim and take for granted, while GENUINE AAs will probably be “disenfranchised” and “SHUT OUT” from the few vehicles, opportunities, and institutions that PURPORTEDLY “represent them”.”—

          From time to time I hear AAs saying things like this. Some of those who say these things want to go back to being called “Black Americans.” Others who say these sorts of things don’t have any suggestions about what the AA ethnic group should call itself.

          To those AAs folks who want to go back to being called “Black Americans”:

          You *do* realize that foreign-origin Blacks will start calling themselves Black Americans in order to steal set-asides, affirmative actions slots and everything else our AA civil rights martyrs died to create for us, don’t you? They did it in the past in order to steal our civil rights gains. Foreign-origin Blacks will go back to stealing our civil rights gains by saying that they are Black and they are Americans (naturalized or born here)…therefore they are Black Americans. If there is something to be gained by doing so (such as an affirmative action slot, etc.) foreign-heritage Blacks will call themselves *whatever* AAs call ourselves when trying to snatch up these AA civil rights-created opportunities.

          Unless AAs get so specific by calling ourselves Descendents Of Slaves Who Were Held In Slavery In The United States (to keep out West Indians who will say that they are also descendents of slaves if there is an AA-created civil rights gain to be stolen by doing so), then we need to just keep in mind that foreign Blacks will start calling themselves whatever we call ourselves if they can steal an AA civil rights-created benefit by doing so. It’s just one of those things.

        • Khadija,

          (Smile)

          YES. I realize this. And, NO, I don’t have an “alternative” in mind.

          ACTUALLY, I think what you wrote sounds good (“Descendents Of Slaves Who Were Held In Slavery In The United States”). Why can’t they put that in parentheses next to black/African American just like they do “non Hispanic origin”. And, THEY ALSO need to add “AND NOT CLAIMING Bi/Multi racial”. YES. I want things “CLEANED UP” all the way around. I KNOW I’m not going to GET it, but I’M STILL SAYING so.

          This just FRUSTRATES me, because it’s such an INJUSTICE to our ancestors AND our country–AND US!!!

      • The U.S mess called “Iraq” is as unstable as ever and the new administration is stirring up a hornets nest with Iran:

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38899881

        The qualities of a true statesmen are to understand geopolitical realties and being careful with adversaries when one is no longer the superpower of the previous fifty years. These qualities appear to be woefully absent with the new administration. I sincerely hope these missteps do not cause an escalation in the war of words resulting in a real war.

        If the current administration truly believes they can go this alone by destroying good will and alienating their allies, then they may be in for a very rude awakening.

    • Marie Le Pen has always had her own agenda, one should keep that in mind. Her party may have put on “better clothes and wears better perfume” but it does not change the core essence of the party which is one that excludes everyone that does not fit its image of a French person….

      Concerning Hillary’s support of war, I do not disagree however, Trump’s recent overture to Taiwan was either a sign of his naiveté or limited understanding of geopolitics either of which are extremely dangerous. If he continues with such missteps, it could result in war at home and no longer being fought by proxy in other countries as has been the case over the last 50 years.

      The U.S. is no longer the super power it once was and would lose in a war against China and the Chinese would not necessarily have to use their military to do it.

      They already have the U.S in checkmate due to:

      1) being the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt
      2) they have been allowed to build components for the U.S. military (one can assume they have built “back doors” to take down U.S. military systems…)
      3) have significant spies working for technology and military enterprises in the U.S

      Largest foreign holder of U.S. debt:
      http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/ss/How-Much-US-Debt-Does-China-Own.htm

      Military components:
      http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/17358-obama-pentagon-waived-ban-on-chinese-parts-in-u-s-weapons
      http://www.defensetech.org/2012/03/29/richard-clarke-all-u-s-electronics-from-china-could-be-infected/

      Espionage:
      http://observer.com/2016/04/the-unpleasant-truth-about-chinese-espionage/
      http://observer.com/2016/08/breaking-chinese-mole-uncovered-inside-the-fbi/
      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/11/espionage-arrest-of-nuclear-engineer-fuels-us-suspicions-of-chinese-tactics

      If there was a war, they still would have the upper hand:

      1) they have access to more natural resources as they “buy” and “occupy” Africa thanks to African “leadership” allowing it. They could outlast the U.S. in a long an protracted battle.
      2) They could mobilize far more troops than the U.S. and I doubt, with the current mood in other parts of the world, there would be much interest from other countries to “join” such a war.

      American citizens have the parties they continually support. Until they are ready to put in the effort to establish a multi-party system it will continue to be the choice of the lesser evil and in this election, unfortunately, there was no lesser evil.

      I sincerely hope that Trump does not trigger another war…

  31. Ladies,

    BE CAREFUL about where you seek “help” and “guidance”. I DON’T CARE if you see something on OPRAH, CNN, or ANY OTHER “NEWS” SHOW. That DOESN’T MAKE IT “VALID” OR SAFE. THIS poor lady’s daughter died from some RIDICULOUSNESS which should have been “OBVIOUS”, but UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS NOT. And, THE CULPRIT is out here working to make MORE money in the “Self Help” industry.

    BUYER BEWARE

    http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2016/12/01/enlighten-us-fatal-sweat-lodge-visit-sidner-pkg.cnn

  32. Marie Le Pen has always had her own agenda, one should keep that in mind. Her party may have put on “better clothes and wears better perfume” but it does not change the core essence of the party which is one that excludes everyone that does not fit its image of a French person….

    Concerning Hillary’s support of war, I do not disagree however, Trump’s recent overture to Taiwan was either a sign of his naiveté or limited understanding of geopolitics either of which are extremely dangerous. If he continues with such missteps, it could result in war at home and no longer being fought by proxy in other countries as has been the case over the last 50 years.

    The U.S. is no longer the super power it once was and would lose in a war against China and the Chinese would not necessarily have to use their military to do it.

    They already have the U.S in checkmate due to:

    1) being the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt
    2) they have been allowed to build components for the U.S. military (one can assume they have built “back doors” to take down U.S. military systems…)
    3) have significant spies working for technology and military enterprises in the U.S

    Largest foreign holder of U.S. debt:
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/ss/How-Much-US-Debt-Does-China-Own.htm

    Military components:
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/congress/item/17358-obama-pentagon-waived-ban-on-chinese-parts-in-u-s-weapons
    http://www.defensetech.org/2012/03/29/richard-clarke-all-u-s-electronics-from-china-could-be-infected/

    Espionage:
    http://observer.com/2016/04/the-unpleasant-truth-about-chinese-espionage/
    http://observer.com/2016/08/breaking-chinese-mole-uncovered-inside-the-fbi/
    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/aug/11/espionage-arrest-of-nuclear-engineer-fuels-us-suspicions-of-chinese-tactics

    If there was a war, they still would have the upper hand:

    1) they have access to more natural resources as they “buy” and “occupy” Africa thanks to African “leadership” allowing it. They could outlast the U.S. in a long an protracted battle.
    2) They could mobilize far more troops than the U.S. and I doubt, with the current mood in other parts of the world, there would be much interest from other countries to “join” such a war.

    American citizens have the parties they continually support. Until they are ready to put in the effort to establish a multi-party system it will continue to be the choice of the lesser evil and in this election, unfortunately, there was no lesser evil.

    I sincerely hope that Trump does not trigger another war….

  33. AA women/girls, you’d better THINK CAREFULLY about what you’re going to do, who you’re going to be involved with, who your friends are going to be, what circles you’re going to “run” in, what kind of lifestyle you’re going to live, and how you’re going to interact with the society and institutions within which you live. “Day”/”Mommy” won’t be able to “SAVE” YOU from all potential “MESSES” YOU find yourself in.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/fla-teen-suspect-machete-murder-boy-throws-tantrum-article-1.2866415

    People are TIRED, and I AM TOO.

  34. Formavitae,

    That ship has sailed with regards to AAs, the mis-leadership class sold out AAs as black males have never been prepared to do the heavy lifting. The points you made were discussed in detail on Muslim Bushido blogs 6 to 7 years ago, as I was a participant in those discussions which dissected many of these issues in detail in order to give tools to Sojourners to change their personal trajectories from surviving to thriving.

    At this stage, the AA collective is on a trajectory of permanent underclass because AAs as a rule will not support each other and that legacy is now bearing the bitter fruit of no infrastructure of our own to support us. AA BW as a group will not support each other as a rule either if the truth be told but will put themselves and their children in harm’s way at the altar of the black male. That is not likely to change for the majority because the programming/indoctrination and reinforcement of such is very strong despite empirical evidence to the contrary. The result being that many AA BW along with their progeny will perish.

    The era of AAs being a major force in the history of the U.S. as they were over the last 150 years, I believe has come to a close and we, as a collective are approaching “Full Circle” (this term was mentioned in a post from Muslim Bushido where it describes what this means in detail, IIRC, Khadija, it had been based on a conversation she had with a friend of hers).

    This means that the individual AA BW will have to ensure that her interests and legacy are protected and not depend on the AA collective to do so.

    From my perspective, there is nothing more I can add as everything relevant has been said, so this is my last comment on this particular topic.

    • Karen,

      I realize the MAJORITY of AAs “are LOST”. I’m just hoping that SENSIBLE AAs can/will “salvage” WHAT’S LEFT of our birthright and inheritance. I’m hoping SENSIBLE AAs will allow our government (Trump) to do what WE’VE NEEDED, but been UNWILLING, TO DO (root out the criminal elements that have been destroying us). I’m hoping that some vestige of “sanity” can be recouped for the upcoming children AAs WILL CERTAINLY bring into existence.

      Furthermore, I think it’s important that we “look out for our interests” even as we begin to lose them in the form we’ve previously known. We ALSO need to “know who we are” AND REMEMBER the SIGNIFICANCE of the people we came from. WE SURVIVED slavery and white oppression. We’re being “done in” by OUR OWN HANDS.

      THE LOVE I have for my ancestors and my country WILL ALWAYS BURN *BRIGHTLY* in my heart. NOTHING will ever change that.

      THANKS for communicating.

  35. I just read a funny comment to a news article:

    “Trumps selection of Military backgrounds instead of political makes perfect sense. Military folk understand the difference between a superior giving an order and asking for opinions. Tell these Generals to accomplish something and they WILL make every attempt to do so within whatever framework they are given. Politicians given an order will first off tell you why they cant do it, then tell you why you dont want to do it and then set up meetings with other politicians to get more ideas for why it cant be done.”

    Lol.

    • Formative,

      What I find interesting is how AA mothers remain in place knowing the odds of their children growing and dying in not only poverty, but violence, is astounding. The people of Aleppo are evacuating a violent country by any means necessary, and black people just ask for more police in a city under siege instead of trying to get out and not reproducing any child in that environment. The police cannot solve or stop the violence. The violence that leads to these statistics are mass cultural failings on the part of the AA community in Chicago. The AA community will collectively shake their heads and ignore this article. Drug dealers, gangs, domestic violence and all other forms of violence will continue to be overlooked. The people have to find a way to get out.

      • Sheri,

        I missed this reply before. Yes, the AAs of Chicago need to “wise up” and figure out how to leave this mess BEHIND. I recently read online that a minister said he had been contacted by some gang leaders in Chicago who said they want to work together with Trump to reduce the violence and killings in Chicago. The minister said they said Trump gave them hope. Whether it’s “hope” or an understanding that a “knucklehead crackdown” is on the way, if gang members are motivated to change their activities and reduce the SENSELESS SLAUGHTERS, it’s a GOOD THING.

        I provided a link below that updates with th daily shooting count in Chicago. They’re already over 300. It shows the age, sex of the victim (when possible), and location of shooting. It also shows a graphic that allows one to see the locations and areas of concentration for the shootings. They’ve almost had as many shootings as there are days in the year. A SHAME.

  36. BTW, Trump’s tax plan doesn’t take away anyone’s EITC. For most single working mothers (most BW mothers), it gives them a little extra compared to the current tax setup. There is a lot of scaremongering being spread about the removal of Head of Household as a tax status, but it doesn’t affect what the people (including, sadly, many BWE and BWE-supporting women) spreading the lies are concerned with, which is primarily EITC. The rules are the same RIGHT NOW for Head of Household or Single. And as far as other tax credits, it again mostly benefits BW single mothers with jobs, and even many who are stay at home mothers.

  37. Yesterday was a GLORIOUS day! It’s the first time I breathed “a sigh of relief”, IN MONTHS. I TRULY HOPE this country UNITES, gets “BACK ON (AN UPWARD) TRACK”, and the NONSENSE “GETS WEEDED OUT”. IT’S TIME.

  38. Oh…..A Word of Advice

    For those who “fancy” themselves as “anarchists”, NOW is “NOT THE TIME”.

    (See my earlier post in which I asked if you want “an axe coming down on your head TOO”.)

    With SINCERE Love,

    Formavitae

  39. This is the first time I actually watched/listened to his inaugural address, as for me personally, I had no interest in watching/paying too much attention to anything to do with this inauguration. From the way I saw it reported in the media, one would have thought that in his speech, he had declared pseudo-war on the rest of the world an said the America was the only country with a right to exist. All the things he said are pretty much identical to what most leaders of other nations tend to say to their populace. The fact is that Trump is now the POTUS. I cannot see the wisdom in elected officials deciding that they are going to basically ‘sit out’ the next four years, refuse to even as much as meet with Trump or his people (& potentially influence some of the policies that he will push through). So what exactly do they think they were elected for? To just collect a paycheck? So that there is no confusion, I do not like Donald Trump. That said, he is now in a position to seriously affect many people’s lives, and the attitude that I have seen from most Black folks of late, i.e, one of defiance, being obstinate etc, rather than being strategic and accepting reality, does not leave me with much hope. While many of you are ranting, throwing a fit etc, those other groups that sent you/lit the fire under your feet, are vying for their own seat at the table to get their own piece of the pie!

    I still found his speech rather empty, as most politicians rarely follow through, but, some of the best bits that were (1) true, and (2) rarely ever said these days were:

    “We’ve defended other nations borders, while refusing to defend our own.”

    “From this day forward, it’s going to be only America first, America first. Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs will be made to benefit American workers and American families.”

    The above is EXACTLY how it should be, and what other nations like China are doing (hence, why they are in a position to buy America’s debt, and in essence ‘own’ America).

    “I will fight for you with every breath in my body and I will never let you down.”

    Is there any of you that feels that Obama had this mindset with regard to you? This is a big part of why Trump won. He made his supporters feel like he would fight for them tooth and nail.

    We will no longer accept politicians who are all talk and no action, constantly complaining, but never doing anything about it. The time for empty talk is over. Now is the time for action.”

    Hmm, I wonder who he was referring to here.

    • There was something I was contemplating saying, and after reading/listening to different people online, I’ve decided I’m going to. Several people are also noting certain things I’ve been feeling. Two videos are below:

      I’m going to present my thoughts in a separate post.

  40. JaliliMaster,

    As a commenter to one of YouTube videos by Yvette Carnell I’ve cited in recent blog posts said, “If you’re not at the table, then you’re on the menu.”

    And as I said in a recent post: From my perspective, if AAs are not going to build any sort of life-sustaining infrastructure for ourselves (and it seems pretty clear to me that we’ll never do that), then we need to have some qualified* people from among our group lobbying Trump to use the increased power he’s stepping into in a couple of days to resolve some of our most pressing problems. For just one example, somebody needs to lobby him to get the lead out of the water in Flint, Michigan.

    I read the transcript of Trump’s inauguration speech. And I more or less agree with your assessment of several statements in that speech, as well as the implied criticism of current office holders you take note of in your comment.

    Be that as it may, I found his speech to be utterly graceless and yet another manifestation of his grave character flaws, which were summed up best during the campaign by an editorial by the main Mormon paper, the Deseret News which said, in part:

    —“The notion that strength emanates from harsh, divisive and unbending rhetorical flourish mistakenly equates leadership with craven intimidation.

    The belief that the party and the platform matter more than the character of the candidate ignores the wisdom of the ages that, “when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2)

    We understand that politicians and presidential candidates are human and that everyone makes mistakes. We do not believe that what is expressed in an unguarded moment of conversation should be the full measure of an individual. And we unquestionably support the principle that people deserve forgiveness, compassion and a second chance.

    But history affirms that leaders’ examples either elevate or demean the lives of those being led. When choosing the ostensible leader of the free world, the American electorate requires the clear assurance that their chosen candidate will consistently put the well-being of others ahead of his or her own personal gratification. The most recent revelations of Trump’s lewdness disturb us not only because of his vulgar objectification of women, but also because they poignantly confirm Trump’s inability to self-govern.

    What oozes from this audio is evil. We hear a married man give smooth, smug and self-congratulatory permission to his intense impulses, allowing them to outweigh the most modest sense of decency, fidelity and commitment. And although it speaks volumes about sexual morality, it goes to the heart of all ethical behavior. Trump’s banter belies a willingness to use and discard other human beings at will. That characteristic is the essence of a despot.

    Nor is this an isolated incident. His reprehensible sexual speech confirms troubling reports and outrageous outbursts that have dogged his campaign from the beginning.”—-

    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865664336/In-our-opinion-Donald-Trump-should-resign-his-candidacy.html?pg=all&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1

    Like I said, *grave* character flaws—grave character flaws that most likely will prevent him from successfully carrying out the few productive parts of his campaign platform. It does NOT bode well that Pres. Trump is spending his first few days in office fixating on (and fighting with the press about) the size of the crowd that gathered for his inauguration.

    Those Americans who are wise will do everything in their power to–as much as possible–protect their futures, their fates and their karma from the effects of Pres. Trump and his supporters.

  41. The tongue can bring death or life. Proverbs 18: 21

    Anyone who loves to quarrel loves sin; anyone who trusts in high walls invites disaster. Proverbs 17:19

    I too wonder about the character of this man. He delights in shooting off his mouth, annoying many and then back peddling. Cat among the pigeons is his modus operandi. Who knows what he really stands for. I do think the media was misrepresenting the turnout but this should be the last thing the POTUS should be concerned with.

    I agree people need to get real and capitalise as best they can.

  42. Ladies,

    I had decided to wait and see before publicly speaking on the following thoughts:

    There’s a saying that “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.” Meaning that events don’t replay themselves in exactly the same way through time, but the same overall *patterns* of human behaviors tend to repeat in similar contexts. Simply sitting back and watching the first 48 hours of this new president’s (and his minions’) behavior has confirmed for me that history is “rhyming.” In ways large and small during the coming years, all of us as Americans will sooner or later be challenged with how we choose to respond in the face of evil. Some of us have already flunked that challenge. I’m not talking to such persons, I’m talking to those of you whose hands are still clean.

    It’s better to take the time to think about what values (if any in particular) are really important to you before you’re presented with an ethical/moral/spiritual dilemma. It’s also helpful to take the time to read up on some history, especially of those individuals who bravely faced these sorts of challenges, did the right thing, and WON.

    Lately, I’ve been reading biographies and memoirs by and about Winston Churchill and also the French Resistance. For those who are interested in making a closer study of this history, I would suggest the following links and books.

    http://historyunfolding.blogspot.com/2017/01/trumps-real-german-analogue.html

  43. I was thinking of the following, last week. I was trying to decide whether to express these thoughts or refrain. But, I’ve decided to share, because others are addressing these thoughts in various ways, and I hope the discussion may help someone. I have a list of sites and pages that I usually visit, each day, to see what others are sharing, what’s in the news, and the direction of popular culture. I started to do that earlier today, but stopped, so that the thoughts I express will be MY OWN.

    FIRST, I would like to say how much I APPRECIATE the BWE writers and their work. I have learned and benefited GREATLY. I am SO THANKFUL that AA women and girls have such a WONDERFUL RESOURCE available to them for growth and direction. I have followed these sites and supported the work of these writers because I LOVE to hear and learn from them, BUT ALSO because I hoped to be able to share with other AA women/girls thoughts that may encourage and benefit them. I thank the BWE writers for providing that opportunity.

    In general, the message I would like to relay to fellow AA women/girls, I have ALREADY RELAYED. I have shared certain concepts by means of a variety of presentations: AA women/girls have freedom of choice, they have the opportunity to be loved/desired/married/provided for by men of ALL races, AA women/girls ARE BEAUTIFUL, AA women/girls ARE INTELLIGENT AND RESOURCEFUL and should use those qualities to advance themselves in the world and secure their futures, etc. There is ONE FINAL MESSAGE (LINE OF THINKING) I would like to share, and I present my case in the paragraphs that follow. I apologize for the “lengthiness” of this post, in advance, but this is a message I WOULD TRULY like to share.

    There are so many facets to this train of thought, that I don’t know exactly how I am going to present it. I guess I will start with the following:

    (Oh god, I just tried to write a brief list of notes to organize my thoughts…TOO MUCH…I think I’ll just write my list of points and elaborate where necessary.)

    1. BE A CAPITALIST (or, at least, learn how TO THINK like one).

    2. Accept THE TRUTH of where you are (the truth of different places).

    3. LET GO OF THE SHAME (“SHAME” which you shouldn’t have ANYWAY).

    (Sigh…) ALRIGHT. I think that helps.

    1. BE A CAPITALIST (or, at least, learn how TO THINK like one).

    ORIGINALLY, I was supposed to present this conclusion at the end of my argument. But, here, I have placed it first. IT, TRULY, is the “FINAL MESSAGE” I wanted to relay to my fellow AA sisters. Okay. I AM going to try to abbreviate my thoughts. Alright….

    You can “entertain nonsense” or you can “rule the world”, but you can’t do BOTH, UNLESS…

    YOU’RE A CAPITALIST.

    My thoughts are out of original order, but you’ll “get the point”.

    You’ve been encouraged to quit “mammying”, pursue STEM degrees, create multiple income streams, start your own businesses. That’s SUPERB instruction and guidance. I suggest that becoming a capitalist (developing their mindset) is the CAPSTONE. What do I mean? YES, we live in a capitalistic society. YES, people own businesses. But, those two qualities in themselves do not AUTOMATICALLY make one a “CAPITALIST”. Capitalists OWN resources–from raw materials, to mechanisms of production, storage, and distribution, to ideas, to financing, etc. They influence the laws, rules,….basically….THEY STRUCTURE “THE GAME”. Land, water, air quality, food, medical access, ETC., they HEAVILY influence those things , because they own the resources which CREATE “capacity” to address them.

    FURTHERMORE, Capitalists possess THE MAXIMUM amount of “FREEDOM” available (via mankind) on this earth. Whether you support capitalism, socialism, communism, or any other kind of “-ism”, being a Capitalist affords you “freedom of choice”. No matter WHICH society you live in, visit, etc., there WILL be Capitalists–even if the government fundamentally “REJECTS” capitalism. LIKEWISE, successful Capitalists can promote “anything they want”. They can afford a “positive experience” whether that which they promote produces positive effects for others or negative effects. That’s why I said Capitalists are the only ones who can “entertain nonsense” AND “rule the world”. But, notice, Capitalists can also SAY they support things like “socialism”, when socialism didn’t put them into the status they have. CAPITALISM DID. What the world needs are RESPONSIBLE, COMPASSIONATE Capitalists. Capitalists aren’t “going anywhere”, because THEY WANT to be owners. THEY WANT TO EXIST. Which ties into my distinction between “being a Capitalist” and “being a business owner (SUPER RICH individual)”:

    Capitalists plan for GROWTH and PERPETUITY. Business owners, not necessarily. I’m thinking of a couple of cases I know of personally. One is a nurse who owned a business that an insurance company wanted to buy. She didn’t think the company would run it the way she wanted, so she offered it to her daughter. Her daughter wasn’t interested, so she closed the business. I saw someone I know working a minimum wage job, even though their parent is a business owner. The culture focuses on sons managing family resources. But, I thought to myself, that’s why Ivanka Trump has a clothing company with her name, and this person doesn’t. That’s the difference between being a “capitalist” and a “business owner”. NOT ALL business owners are capitalists. A Capitalist understands the importance of preparing all coming after who could potentially have a stake in ownership to have the knowledge and skills to continue moving towards growth and perpetuity. NOT EVEN BEING SUPER RICH (e.g. having a multi-million dollar contract) GUARANTEES THAT particular paradigm and action.

    Another benefit of being a Capitalist is being a position to challenge OTHER Capitalists. Think Trump vs Soros or other billionaires who didn’t want him to win. ONLY TRUMP (someone on his economic level) had the potential capacity to go against such opposition SUCCESSFULLY. And, I APPRECIATE Trump, because he is one Capitalist who wants to keep the U.S. from “getting screwed” like so many other countries have by being the source of raw materials or consumption but not the center of CRITICAL capital investment or infrastructure development.

    I know I had more thoughts about this, but I’ll just say, lose the antipathy toward and antagonistic relationship with capitalism. BECOME A CAPITALIST and shape things the way you want. Besides, capitalism isn’t going anywhere any time soon. FURTHERMORE, it will help you avoid CONSTANTLY being the servants of others (outside of your “moral” duty to God/mankind).

    2. Accept THE TRUTH of where you are (the truth of different places).

    One thing I LOVED about studying political science is that you have to study WHATEVER played an important role in the development/structure of a society, its governance, and politics–including history, culture, religion, ethnicity, or any other factor. I love learning about ALL of those things. The reason I’m bringing this point up is to help some of you avoid “heartache” and “disappointment”. I hear people frequently talking about why are things like this, or, why couldn’t they be more like that, etc. What some people don’t realize is that based upon various aspects of a society, certain things are possible/likely, and certain things ARE NOT. Certain policy paths are available within certain contexts, at certain junctures in time. Sometimes, those paths are not available without that SPECIFIC set of circumstances. Some options WILL NEVER be available in certain places. This is why it’s important to learn, know, and ACCEPT the TRUTH of where you are. “ACCEPT” doesn’t mean “agreement” or “deference”. It means being able to see CLEARLY the world around you, so that you can make the proper decisions to secure THE BEST possible life for yourself. Wanting something from an environment that doesn’t offer it, IS FRUSTRATING. SAVE YOURSELF THE MISERY, and seek what you want where it may be found. Learn how to get what you want where you are. OR, adjust your expectations.

    Also, NEVER UNDERESTIMATE the importance of a society’s history and values. Think of two related countries: the U.S. and England. Both countries have a shared heritage. Both countries are democracies. However, one country supports a monarchy, the other does not. Although England is governed by the people, they valued their monarchs to the point that THEY STILL honor and economically support the royal family bloodline. Those of them who DID NOT support a monarch and wanted to be free came over here, fought wars, established this country, and NEVER returned to the “rule of the Crown” (though we are allies, which I’M GLAD of).

    And, I hear many people speak of “Social Democratic” countries. What must be remembered is that a pact exists between people of a shared history, etc. That doesn’t mean their pact necessarily extends to “outsiders”. THEIR context led to THEIR society. OUR context led to OURS. (Whether “good” or “bad”)

    3. LET GO OF THE SHAME (“SHAME” which you shouldn’t have ANYWAY).

    In his inauguration speech, Donald Trump spoke of patriotism not allowing for prejudice between citizens. Trump is trying to unify the country by means of national identification. This is the “olive branch” of 21st century America (or at least, EARLY 21st century America). I’m not encouraging AAs to “surrender” their identities, history, grievances, etc., or anything of the kind. What I am saying is that “Identity Politics” is not going to play in this century the way it did in the last.
    Now, I know that statement (about not being “ashamed”) flowed from a different direction when I was thinking of it before. But, I’m trying to bring it together now. I know that I basically feel many AAs feel ASHAMED of their slave history. I feel that shame is exposed in the way we talk about our history. And, even how we deal with OTHERS (whites). It almost feels like, “If it hadn’t been for you, my people wouldn’t have been SLAVES.” I mean…”I get it”, but I don’t feel bad about being a descendant of slaves. I’m NOT HAPPY about what my ancestors endured, but I’M PROUD that my ancestors were able to survive AND OVERCOME their PERILOUS STATE in this country. I don’t think slaves should be ashamed. I think that any human being who believes they have THE RIGHT to enslave others SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
    But, AAs just seem so “sullen” when they talk about their history. And, I feel the “sullenness” is really “SHAME” about who their ancestors WERE rather than what their ancestors ENDURED—otherwise, AAs would take better care of themselves and their own people. But, we clearly see that isn’t the case. I’m just saying, LET. THE SHAME. GO. (I had other thoughts, but I can’t remember them, right now.)

    In sum, I have learned that you can’t escape politics (even working in healthcare). I’m not interested in being “enslaved” to the politics of others. I want myself and my line to enjoy MAXIMUM FREEDOM AND SECURITY. But, as AAs, we have to accept that we have been disenfranchised from that knowledge base and example. Furthermore, we have been exploited to remain in servitude by others who capitalize off of constantly being our “saviors” and “champions” (and I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT “JESUS CHRIST”). That’s why I have always pursued and encouraged others to pursue opportunities to observe, learn from, and learn WITH those who have access to foundations and mechanisms of capitalist society, law, and government, so that you can learn how to utilize those vehicles for YOUR OWN BENEFIT.

    AS ALWAYS, I could write more. But, I “DONE SAID” what I “HAD TO SAY”. I thank OLS and ALL of the various BWE writers who have allowed me to share my thoughts on their platforms. I truly appreciate the OPPORTUNITY, the ENGAGEMENT, and the PATIENCE.

    I LOVE YOU ALL, and I wish NOTHING BUT THE BEST and God’s GREATEST BLESSINGS FOR ALL OF YOU!

    • Formavitae, you said a word!

      I cried reading your post. It gave me hope and I see how much thought you put into it. I know that you (and the BWE writers) really care about black women and want to see us thrive. Thank you for this.

      • onthewaydown,

        It STRENGTHENED my heart to hear that my words gave you hope. That’s what I aspire to do: ENCOURAGE fellow AA women/girls; help them understand that they TOO can have rich, fulfilling, and rewarding lives; help them see possibilities they may not have realized exist; and silence THE LIES AND DISCOURAGEMENT they FREQUENTLY receive from other AAs and members of society.

        I am sending you (and all other AA women/girls) a “Cyber-hug”, because I DO care for you. I DO love you. And, I DO want you to have THE BEST.

        THANK YOU.

        Formavitae

  44. As I see the events unfold and observe the various reactions, explanations and justifications, two quotes come to mind:

    “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.” – Winston Churchill

    “Those who voted for evil need not bother the rest of us with fake compassion.” – My own quote

  45. I find it interesting that taking a strong stance towards ending the violence and devastation experienced in communities like Chicago and Detroit is considered”unacceptable”, “wickedness”, etc. But, taking a tool to go into the womb of a woman with an “unborn fetus” with a beating heart and nervous system with a capacity to feel pain, then twist and rip said “fetus” apart segment-by-segment, limb-by-limb, until it expires–or to bring it into the world (except the head so it isn’t considered officially “born” or a “human being”) then poke a hole in its skull and suction out its brain with a vacuum, is considered BOTH “acceptable” and, sometimes, “necessary”.

    We EACH have our own concept of “RIGHTEOUSNESS”.

    • Khadija posted a question earlier on in this comment section, a few weeks ago. She asked what do those who have a staunch anti-abortion stance plan to do to take care of/provide for/the wellbeing of these children who would be born to parents who would have otherwise opted to have an abortion. I will note that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has felt the need to/been able to provide an answer.

      There is a reason why most sane, rational people struggle to take these religious-political types seriously. The moment they have to actually defend their positions with real life answers/solutions, they have nothing to say! If any of the readers falls into that category, it might be a good idea for them to reassess why they think the way they do, and what would be the consequences (both good and bad), of the policies that they so vehemently support!

      • JaliliMaster,

        Pro-forced birth negroes are totally irresponsible [unlike the Catholic Church that puts its money where its mouth is and has created organizations to help clean up the mess of oow births]. When I originally asked that question that you referenced in your comment above, I kept it neat–I didn’t bother to ask the pro-forced birth commenters to address the ugly, sordid details involved in taking care of the legions of unwanted bastard children that already exist, and the additional hordes of unwanted bastard children these religious zealots want to force women to give birth to. Reality check details such as the following:

        Anyone who has spent any amount of time working in the child welfare system (be it in court, or as a caseworker) can tell you an extremely ugly reality about children who are the result of unplanned, uwanted pregnancies: Many of the already existing discarded/taken away children in foster care are safety risks. For everybody around them. Many of them have negative genetic inheritances such as VERY low IQs and predispostions for severe mental illness. On top of these negative genetic inheritances, many of them have also been severely traumatized by their experiences of living with neglectful and abusive biological parents.

        Nobody talks about the adopted toddlers who hoard food in their pockets. Or the toddlers who bang their heads against walls when they don’t get their way. Or the adopted first-graders who try to rub the genitals of every adult they encounter—because that’s what they’ve been trained to do by their mother’s new-baby-daddy. Or who masturbates in public. Or the adopted 8-year-old who sexually molests the adoptive parents’ younger biological children. Or who is revealed to be schizophrenic when they hit puberty.

        I’ve never met a pro-forced-birth AA who had any sort of plan for dealing with the existing unwanted pregnancies that turned into the above-described deranged AA children. No, they’re through with the situation after the woman/girl gives birth.

        In addition to having no plan to clean up the existing mess created by existing unwanted AA children, the pro-forced-birth AAs don’t understand that the birth of more unwanted AA children will be the DEATH of the rest of us. Having an AA collective that is increasingly filled with low IQ, predisposed to be mentally ill, neglected and abused children who are likely to continue the abuse cycle when they grow up does NOT help any of us.

        The plain truth is that it’s the LEAST capable AAs who are having an ever-increasing proportion of AA births. Productive modern AAs generally don’t have more than 3 children. Many of our best and brightest BW are not having children (for a variety of reasons). Meanwhile, the AA female drug addicts, never-worked-a-day-in-their-lives welfare recipients, and criminals generally have at least 3-4 children—and it’s more like 5-6 births. This overall pattern does not bode well for the future of the AA collective.

        I can take the Catholic position about abortion and birth control seriously, and give them a certain amount of respect, because their actions demonstrate that they are S-E-R-I-O-U-S about what they’re saying. The Catholic community has spent their own money (in donations) to develop an entire religious-based social service infrastructure to deal with unwanted pregnancies.

        As with 99.99% of AA talking points, this “I’m so upset about the fetus” talk is empty rhetoric. There’s no intention whatsoever of following through on that talk (like the Catholics do). As is our tradition, these self-described “pro-life” Blacks are looking for somebody else (meaning the state) to make all the efforts toward cleaning up the mess.

        Let me end with this previous work experience-related observation:

        Those AAs who don’t have regular contact with large numbers of the AA underclass have NO clue about how dangerous and defective this demographic and their offspring are. And this demographic’s level of functioning is decreasing with each year. Let me give one concrete example that most folks aren’t aware of/have never really considered.

        EVERY mentally retarded AA woman client or client’s daughter that I ever encountered (who was not living in some kind of institution) was being long-term sexually exploited by some non-retarded Black man/men. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE.

        These (in some cases, working and married) NON-retarded Black males often tell these retarded women to hand over their disability checks. And they do. Many of these women and girls have babies—year after year—by these various males who are exploiting them. Social services doesn’t always catch up with these exploited, retarded women with their first baby. They have to get caught doing something strange with their child to put themselves on the child welfare “radar.”

        Some of these retarded, long-term sexually exploited women don’t get noticed by child welfare until after their first few children are delayed and pregnant pre-teens/young teens themselves! By which point, these women typically have a brood of at least 4-5 children. Most of whom are delayed and/or emotionally disturbed themselves. Even if their children had a chance of being born with a normal IQ, what chance did they have of growing up to be functional—after being raised by this type of mother? Slim to none.

        Many of these retarded women are on drugs; others of them are mentally ill. A large number of these women are retarded, AND using drugs, AND mentally ill—all at once. These women are not going to have it together enough to use birth control.

        What in the world does anybody expect from the grandchildren birthed by these women’s also sexually exploited, pre-teen and teenage, delayed and retarded daughters?!!!

        {rhetorical question} How do these “I’m so upset about the fetus” Black folks plan to address the *already existing reality* of multiple generations of pre-disposed to mental illness, drug-marinated, developmentally delayed/extremely low IQ brains running around creating a large share of the death and destruction in Blackistans throughout the US?

        ANSWER: The “I’m so upset about the fetus” pro-forced birth Black folks want to increase the number of such persons!

        Pro-forced birth zealots are NOT to be taken seriously.

        • ANSWER: The “I’m so upset about the fetus” pro-forced birth Black folks want to increase the number of such persons!

          Do you know why that is? What is the end point/what would be the ultimate goal of this happening? I just cannot see how that is beneficial. I get it when TPTB want to have an endless supply to the prison industrial complex population, very low wage workers/labour (for the few that can actually hold employment), and say, those who would see them as an extra vote for them politically (in this case, it would probably apply more to the leftist types, which is the one way I can see Black folks in that arena, looking for an easy come-up, being able to exploit them), buy other than that, I can’t see what good these pro-forced birth type of Black folks are seeking.

        • I AGREE that there are many “UGLY” facts/impacts from MASS REPRODUCTION of “unwanted ” children. I ALSO AGREE that there are many “UGLY” facts/impacts from MASS UNCHECKED, RAMPANT CRIMINALITY in impoverished communities. I, therefore, SUPPORT a “heavy crackdown” on such perpetrators, so as to REDUCE the amount of innocent victims, irresponsible reproduction, and economic, educational, and moral decline, frequently seen in such areas. I am willing to accept the deaths of 10s, 100s, or 1000s of criminal assailant “knuckleheads” to achieve that aim. Some others are willing to accept the deaths of 1000s or 1000000s (MILLIONS) of unborn “fetuses” (I tend to call them “babies”) to achieve the aim of curtailing the unfortunate realities you listed above.

          BOTH stances, ultimately, accept a “shedding of blood”. We ALL better hope GOD’S definition of “cleanliness” and “righteousness ” MATCHES OUR OWN.

        • JaliliMaster,

          You quoted this from my earlier reply: “ANSWER: The “I’m so upset about the fetus” pro-forced birth Black folks want to increase the number of such persons!”

          And then you asked:

          “Do you know why that is? What is the end point/what would be the ultimate goal of this happening? I just cannot see how that is beneficial. I get it when TPTB want to have an endless supply to the prison industrial complex population, very low wage workers/labour (for the few that can actually hold employment), and say, those who would see them as an extra vote for them politically (in this case, it would probably apply more to the leftist types, which is the one way I can see Black folks in that arena, looking for an easy come-up, being able to exploit them), buy other than that, I can’t see what good these pro-forced birth type of Black folks are seeking.”

          I think a very small percentage of various categories of pro-forced birth Black folks have some of the reality-based, more-practical-minded end game goals you listed above. For examples: Poverty pimp AA politicians would want more voters that could be safely assumed to vote for them (if they bother to vote). Black Nationalist types assume that increasing the numbers of AAs is always a good thing and would provide AAs with a demographic benefit relative to other groups. TPTB make a lot of money off of AA dysfunction (prison industrial complex, low wage workers, etc.)

          But from listening to pro-forced birth Black folks talk, and engaging in limited discussions with them [limited discussions, for the reasons I’ll state below], it’s become clear to me that the vast majority of them don’t have practical end-game goals regarding this issue. Instead of having practical and reality-based end game goals, pro-forced birth zealots are simply one of MANY categories of ideologues who behave in a manner similar to the robots portrayed on the new TV show Westworld.

          “ideologue, noun, an adherent of an ideology, especially one who is uncompromising and dogmatic.”

          One of the actresses on the show described the robots’ programmed behavior (the robots are called “hosts” on the show):

          “The park’s creators have no control over what the guests say to the hosts, which means they’ve had to create a wide variety of dialogue for each robot. All of their conversational replies are scripted, with small opportunities for improvisation as needed.

          The one exception happens whenever a guest specifically calls out the nature of the hosts’ robotic reality. “If you try to communicate with the hosts in any way that’s outside of the storyline, or that brings in the real world at all, or that questions their reality, they’re programmed to ignore it,” Evan Rachel Wood (Dolores Abernathy) explained in a behind-the-scenes video.”

          http://www.thisisinsider.com/westworld-park-rules-2016-10

          It doesn’t matter that much what the particular ideology is, a person whose mind is in the grip of an ideology (aka ideologue) becomes something akin to these Westworld robots. Their responses are scripted. They learn their scripts from whatever source of programming they’ve chosen to believe in (Fox News, MSNBC, Dr. Umar Johnson, Min. Farrakhan, the 700 Club, their pastor, their imam, their rabbi, their cult leader, whatever political activists they listen to, etc., etc., etc.). When you present one of these ideologues with a reality-based question, reality-based concern or fact that is *outside* their programmed script/narrative, they are programmed to dismiss and ignore it. Just like the robots on Westworld!

          ^^^THIS is why the ugly reality surrounding unwanted oow births is invisible to pro-forced birth zealots. THIS is why they don’t provide or have answers to the earlier question I raised. They gloss right over that question because it falls *outside* their programmed script/narrative. When you rub their noses in reality-based questions, concerns or facts, then a few of them will temporarily come up with a superficial response. And then they get right back to speaking their script. And this is the scary thing about Ideologue-robots. Because if you’re not part of their particular faction, then be assured that your suffering and your death would literally be invisible to them and/or of no concern to them. They would gloss right over it, and get right back to speaking their script.

          It’s possible to have strongly held beliefs and values without being an ideologue-robot. A thoughtful person can see AND hear AND acknowledge the hardships and harms created by the ideas/values/things they believe in. In this mortal world, every good thing has some sort of price tag attached to it. A thoughtful, serious person will take these price tags seriously and will sincerely try to find ways to lessen the price or make the price take the form of something reasonable.

          My discussions with ideologues (no matter what their particular ideology is) are very limited, because it’s a waste of time trying to communicate with a programmed robot. When i see that somebody is responding according to a script and is not seriously engaging with the questions or points I raise, then I generally stop talking to them.

          I used to have more compassion for the ideologue-robots because I realize that for many of them, their respective ideologies are the only things that get them through the day. And the only things that make it possible for them to sleep at night. And the only comfort that they have.

          My thoughts about compassion for ideologue-robots have changed because we’re now living in a new dangerous day that has echoes to the WWII-era past. Ideologue-robots are dangerous. Ideologue-robots create a LOT of suffering that is invisible to them because it falls outside their programmed scripts/narratives. Ideologue-robots get other people killed. it’s a very short step to go from ideologue-robot to becoming an outright monster.

          Modern day Americans and others are NOT special or any more enlightened than the people of WWII-era Germany. From what I’ve read of history, the average German was a decent enough person. But first they allowed themselves to become ideologue-robots. And then large numbers of them became outright monsters. While the rest of the German ideologue-robots said and did nothing to stop these outright monsters. Compassion for ideologue-robots is a luxury item in this current dangerous political environment. A luxury item that decent, thoughtful people can no longer afford, as far as I’m concerned. Ideologue-robots must be resisted.

      • A few weeks ago (November 17, 2016 at 4:34 am), I stated that in my own PERSONAL life, I am VERY pro-life with exclusions. But, I accept other women’s rights to get abortion with medical assistance. Again, we already have social programs that help the poor and their children. At some point, people who decide to breed have to figure out how their going to eat IN ADVANCE. But, I see that even accepting Pro choice laws isn’t enough to placate those st ongly in favor of abortion rights. You have to change YOUR OWN PERSONAL values too.

        Interesting how “FREEDOM OF CHOICE” doesn’t seem to include “FREEDOM TO DISAGREE”.

        • Formavitae,

          You said: —“Interesting how “FREEDOM OF CHOICE” doesn’t seem to include “FREEDOM TO DISAGREE”.

          Seems to me that just a few days ago, you were issuing semi-veiled threats to folks who might plan on protesting your beloved Trump’s inauguration. In other words, NOT respecting the freedom to disagree.

          The day after your beloved Trump’s inauguration, you said (while posting a link to video of his inauguration speech):

          —Formavitae
          January 21, 2017 at 8:47 am
          Yesterday was a GLORIOUS day! It’s the first time I breathed “a sigh of relief”, IN MONTHS. I TRULY HOPE this country UNITES, gets “BACK ON (AN UPWARD) TRACK”, and the NONSENSE “GETS WEEDED OUT”. IT’S TIME.—

          You posted the above with a follow-up comment around 40 minutes later of:

          —Formavitae
          January 21, 2017 at 9:35 am
          Oh…..A Word of Advice

          For those who “fancy” themselves as “anarchists”, NOW is “NOT THE TIME”.

          (See my earlier post in which I asked if you want “an axe coming down on your head TOO”.)

          With SINCERE Love,

          Formavitae—-

          That’s YOU talking that semi-veiled threat talk against people who disagree with–and would want to dissent from–the policies of your preferred politician (Pres. Trump). And from the rest of your comments, it’s pretty clear that these warnings were not given out of any sense of concern about dissenters’ well-being or concern about dissenters’ freedom to disagree. Adding up the content of your comments, it’s pretty clear that your warnings to those dissenters you described as “those who “fancy” themselves as “anarchists”” were all about protecting your your preferred politician (Pres. Trump) from embarrassment.

          In light of all of this, your complaints about freedom to disagree ring hollow . . .

        • Khadija,

          “Threat”?

          NO. (Not even my style)

          “Admonition”?

          YES.

          I’m glad you referenced my comment. Because in that comment, I encouraged others to see my earlier posting about having “an axe coming down on your head too”. I’ve copied and pasted the original posting in its ENTIRETY, to save others from having to search:

          Formavitae
          November 28, 2016 at 11:30 pm

          http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/13/wrn-france-marine-le-pen-intv.cnn

          This is one of the candidates running for the French Presidency. Just happened to watch this vid early this morning. It’s around 4:03, but her statement at the end somewhat “reflects a thought I was thinking of sharing.

          This thought is one I had yesterday. I read two news articles. One was about a gang shooting of a 7 year old kid, and the other was about “squads”. The 7 y.o. Kid had been out with his mother and others. His mom and a man went inside a convenience store. The owner said they were agitated and not shopping, but rather talking into the phone about being followed and needing backup. Then a shooter stood in the street and shot into the car, killing the boy and injuring another teen. Initially, the mother and man did not want to reveal the name of th shooter, but I guess someone overheard them saying it during the call and told the police.

          This was HER 7 y.o. Son killed, and SHE DIDNT WANT TO NAME THE SHOOTER?

          And, the “squads” article was about groups of kids (some even as young as 10) who get together and beat/kick people. I guess these “squads” have ties to other official gangs.

          These articles made me want to say the following to AA women: It’s time to “CUT YOUR LOSSES”. Why I’m saying this ALSO ties into the comment at the end of the vid I linked.

          In general, whites DO NOT like to “drag out” their “problem states”. This is what I mean. Lets take the Civil War, as an example (VERY SIMPLIFIED). The South was like, I’m tired of you telling me to do, I think we need to just go our separate ways. The North was like, no, we’re one country and we’re going to STAY that way. The South wasn’t trying to hear it, and both sides agreed to fight it out. Over 600,000 Americans DIED in that war. The North won. The Union is intact. Yes, there’s still some bitterness, but the North and South aren’t still fighting over secession.

          Whites tend to prefer a certain quality of life that is comfortable, and reasonably “peaceful”, allowing them to go about their activities without much stress or fear. They generally aren’t content to have bullets “whizzing” by their children’s heads on a daily basis for years on end (unlike AAs, who seem to think it’s important to be “understanding ” of these things) .

          WHY am I pointing this out?

          Khadija talked about the “peace walls”. I’m going to to add this. White people way “WALL you up” in a certain area, so they don’t have to deal with your issues. But, should they ever decide the area surrounded by those walls can “serve a better purpose”, they will get you out of there for “the GREATER GOOD “. Will it be by gentrification, buying you out, more prisons, acts of aggression, or other tactics? MUCH will depend upon what YOU/THOSE AROUND YOU do.

          AAs want to “understand”, “rehabilitate”, “think of their childhood”, “consider systematic oppression in America”, etc. etc. WE don’t HVE TIME for that. Whites have been VERY “patient”. But, their “patience” HAS LIMITS. WHITE people like to “solve a problem ” and MOVE ON.

          So, WHAT do YOU WANT, BW? Do you want to allow “problem sources” to be swiftly dealt with so that you can move forward in safety and peace, or do you want to be “politically correct”/”understanding” and end up with “an a e coming down on YOUR head” TOO?

          Even the French lady asked (more or less), do we want to be efficient about resolving the problem or have drawn out and more expensive engagements for the sake of political correctness.

          AA women don’t like to see ANYONE “hurt”, EVEN when said PERSON is in THE WRONG and HURTING OTHERS. If AAW don’t GET OVER that,things are going to get WAY more expensive–requiring “payment IN BLOOD”.

          And, YES. There are things I have little to no “tolerance” for, and I’m ready for the “NONSENSE TO STOP”.
          SUCH “NONSENSE” as THIS in Chicago:

          http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/

          (This is JUST for the month of January. And, January’s not over yet.)

          I COMPLETELY SUPPORT the stance of the Trump administration, on these matters:

          “Our job is not to make life more comfortable for the rioter, the looter, or the violent disrupter. Our job is to make life more comfortable for parents who want their kids to be able to walk the streets safely. Or the senior citizen waiting for a bus. Or the young child walking home from school.” (https://www.whitehouse.gov/law-enforcement-community)

          I share my perspectives. People are free to agree or disagree. But, my personal integrity is VERY IMPORTANT to me. And, I don’t accept it being undermined just because others have a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION.

          As I stated above:

          We EACH have our own concept of “RIGHTEOUSNESS”.

        • I don’t know if any of you watched the video SB posted, but I highly encourage you too. In it, she refers to an article she wrote,
          “The US Presidential Election: The Productivity Backlash “. I think everyone should ABSOLUTELY READ IT. She’s touching on some very important issues and changes in our society and world. WE ALL need to consider. She also posts hyperlinks throughout, to various other postings.

          She has a series on “The Emerging Multipolar World”, in which she interviews someone known as “The Saker”. He is a Russian who has EXTENSIVE knowledge of and experience within the U.S. and Russia. It’s QUITE ENLIGHTENING to listen to his perspective. The series consists of four posts (interviews). I read the first interview in pdf form. I listened to the second and started listening to the third in mp3. Theses interviews ARE EXCELLENT! I encourage you to AT LEAST TRY to read/listen to one. If you don’t find it interesting or beneficial, THAT’S FINE. But, I think you will find it engaging and you will desire to hear/learn more (as I do).

          This connects to my advice to “understand Capitalists”. These two people’s experiences expand both capital and politics/military. So, it’s good to see how they look at the dynamics going on in the world, how they view the U.S., etc. It’s important to know how people of influence understand and discuss a situation or topic. It gives you a clue about what YOU need to be thinking about or preparing for. Something I found interesting is that The Saker said politicians in the U.S. think short term, but in his society (Russia) they think in terms of 1000-year increments. ONE THOUSAND YEARS! THESE people are planning to be here “FOR THE LONG HAUL”. Consider the potential implications of that.

          Anyway, you need to “investigate” for yourself. I have included links below to the articles:

          The US Presidential Election: The Productivity Backlash
          https://solari.com/blog/the-us-presidential-election-the-productivity-backlash/

          Russia and Global Geopolitics with the Saker
          https://solari.com/blog/russia-and-global-geopolitics-with-the-saker/

          The Saker: A Unipolar vs. Multipolar World
          https://solari.com/blog/the-saker-a-uni-polar-vs-multi-polar-world/

          The Emerging Multipolar World with Saker: Russia, Ukraine & the Risks of War
          https://solari.com/blog/the-emerging-multipolar-world-with-the-saker-russia-ukraine-the-risks-of-war/

          The Emerging Multipolar World with Saker: Russia, Syria & Recommendations for a Trump Presidency
          https://solari.com/blog/multipolar-world-with-the-saker/

          These posts are VERY SOBERING. I encourage you to learn the fundamentals for survival so that you can fare “well” no matter WHO is in power.

  46. Ladies,

    Here are some links that I think are important and worth your time. First, these 2 recent posts by Breukelen Bleu while she still has them visible for the public:

    I understand the irritation that she’s expressing in the second post; African-Americans are generally a foolish people (AND arrogant in their foolishness). Even more so for AA women, who generally unable to correctly identify their own self-interests.

    It’s also worth your time to read these 3 posts that will help in understanding the multiple agendas at play regarding the Executive Order travel bans over the past weekend:

    View story at Medium.com

    View story at Medium.com

    View story at Medium.com

    I don’t necessarily agree with every point made in the above 3 articles, but I believe the writer is correct about this point in the first article:

    Note also the most frightening escalation last night was that the DHS made it fairly clear that they did not feel bound to obey any court orders. CBP continued to deny all access to counsel, detain people, and deport them in direct contravention to the court’s order, citing “upper management,” and the DHS made a formal (but confusing) statement that they would continue to follow the President’s orders. (See my updates from yesterday, and the various links there, for details) Significant in today’s updates is any lack of suggestion that the courts’ authority played a role in the decision.

    That is to say, the administration is testing the extent to which the DHS (and other executive agencies) can act and ignore orders from the other branches of government. This is as serious as it can possibly get: all of the arguments about whether order X or Y is unconstitutional mean nothing if elements of the government are executing them and the courts are being ignored.

    It’s obvious that Trump & Crew will pack the federal courts with right-wing lunatic judges who can be trusted to rule in ways that are pleasing to Trump & Crew. But they’re ALSO looking to see how many (and who) among the current federal employees they can rely upon to ignore court rulings and do whatever Trump & Crew tell them to do. Just in case there are judges who don’t rule is ways that are pleasing to Trump & Crew. THIS is what I feel is the most important lesson of what happened this past weekend.

    Like I said earlier, history is rhyming. And it’s time to draw some lines in the sand. As Bleu described in her latest post, far too many AABW and AAs in general are complacent and arrogantly ego-tripping in denial about the unique and enhanced negative effects that the Age of Trump will have on them. Well, that’s just another example of history rhyming. Very, very few people clearly saw the danger posed by the ideology and government policies being promoted by Franco, Mussolini and Hitler early in the game. And most of that handful of people who saw the danger early tended to be communists, labor activists and progressives, like the Americans who fought in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade against Franco during the Spanish Civil War. Like this African-American woman who was a nurse (and met her future Irish husband while in Spain):
    http://www.albavolunteer.org/2011/12/salaria-keas-spanish-memoirs/

    Most people during that era didn’t understand what they were seeing–and didn’t understand where their particular self-interests lay–until *after* they got personally burned by these policies. Like these dummies: “Family of Syrians Deported From Philadelphia Voted for Donald Trump”
    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Assali-Family-Syria-Donald-Trump-Vote-Allentown-Immigration-Ban-Travel-Order-412238593.html

    And so it will be with the masses of AAs and AA women in particular. Oh, well, they were warned by various BWE and BW-centric writers.

  47. We are all at a point in which we have to decide “what kind of life” we want for ourselves. Quality of life. Standard of living. Freedoms. Restrictions. Etc. In which environment and under what set of conditions are we likely to achieve them…or not. We are also at a point at which we have to decide what we are willing to pay/forfeit, or not. I personally have no interest in seeing AAs becoming (EVEN MORE) expendable to advance the interests of other people who have made no SUBSTANTIVE investment or contribution to the development of this country or its principles that provide the freedoms we enjoy.

    WE incur the expense of providing so many benefits and opportunities such as the following:

    https://www.acf.hhs.gov/orr/refugees

    (Can AAs get some of that assistance setting up businesses so they can have economic security in this society? And, I’ve read articles stating that some colleges are offering full or partial rides to help refugees go to college in this country. I still have to pay my students loans, and not only am I a descendant of Black American slaves my family has fought/served in the U.S. military for GENERATIONS).

    And, when these people have 6,7,8,9,10+ kids, we incur the costs for the medical care and hospital expenses TOO. And, when they have chronic medical conditions, we pay for that TOO. And, when they come “visit a family member”, have chest pain, get expensive cardio-thoracic surgical intervention, then leave the country to go back home before paying the bill, we get stuck with THAT expense TOO. I overhead a conversation about a case at work, so I decided to find an article about such events:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/visitors-bleed-health-system-foreigners-travel-free-medical-care-taxpayers-foot-bill-article-1.752010

    Yet, we need to have so much “consideration” for illegals, non-citizens, and the like. Why can’t we have practices similar to these other countries (like Pakistan, which I mentioned above). Or Mexico, since that’s where we want to build a border wall:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/09/adapt_mexicos_immigration_policy.html

    Ultimately, there are considerable cultural clashes that will eventually come into play. And, I see many people are unwilling to accept this reality.

    I hear people say we are headed towards another world war. And, I don’t think that’s unlikely. However, it isn’t going to be “Trump” vs “the World”. It’s going to be “West” vs “non-West”. “U.S.” vs. “Asia/Middle East”. “U.S.” vs “Latin America”? “Submit to Islam” vs “Don’t”.

    The U.S. has been fortunate in that it hasn’t had to experience mass devastation on its soil during recent wars. However, that can change if we aren’t wise about whom we “let into our house”. You lock your doors for a reason. You have alarm systems for a reason. You have windows (not just openings) in your house for a reason. You have a deed to property you purchase for a reason. The same concepts and principles apply to countries and citizenship. If individual people have these rights, why doesn’t a nation?

  48. Two more things I wanted to point out:

    WE ALL want to be “nice/kind/etc” people, but we still need to think about the (potential) repercussions of things.

    1. While Westerners are willing to abort their babies in the millions, MANY of the non-Westerners coming to the country DO have 6,7,8,9,10+ kids. THEY DO. I SEE IT IN PRACTICE. And, they ARE NOT going to change their reproductive patterns to meet Western ideals of “women’s rights”, “treading lightly on the earth”, etc. Even if the women may not want additional children, they still have them due to cultural expects. And, since many of these cultures marry young, they have LONG periods of reproduction. So, eventually, your society will not reflect you, because you abort your own in large numbers. And, since you want to bring in so many others, you’re just “trading off” your population for theirs. Babies will continue being born (in poverty, etc), they just won’t be YOURS (but, you’ll still foot the bill).

    2. Some people bring communicable diseases, including strains that are resistant to our antibiotic therapies. I know a case where a person traveled to this country with a communicable disease (no protection), went to a medical office for treatment where there were also pregnant women, and eventually ended up in the hospital for treatment. When dealing with this condition, patients are placed in “negative airflow” rooms (rooms designed to constantly remove and replenish the air in the room to remove infectious agents), room doors are kept shut, and anyone entering the room has to wear a special type of filtering mask. You put it on BEFORE entering the room, and you take it off AFTER exiting the room. ALL PATIENTS at the MD office had to be notified of the exposure. But, what of the people in the community (grocery store, gas station, neighbors, walking down the street, public restrooms, libraries, etc)? What of the travelers in the airport, on the airplane? What of the flight attendants, pilots, baggage handlers, food service workers, custodial workers, people seeing others off, etc.? THESE are the realities of not knowing who is entering your country and what they may be bringing with them. How would YOU feel, if you were one of those expectant mothers? I’ve been exposed on the job, and I’ll tell you, IT’S NOT “FUN”. Waiting to be “medically cleared” can be STRESSFUL.

    (I’ll tell you, I’ve never had an Ebola pt, but I had to receive training on how to apply and remove protective equipment that’s required to wear before entering the room of a patient with that condition. Let me give you a rundown of what we have to do:

    Application (“Donning”): 11 Steps (must have buddy)
    Check for all required equipment (gloves, mid- leg covers, gown N95 respirator, surgical hood, outer gloves with extended cuffs, facial mask, sanitizer, one clean chair–Special note: remove all personal wear, wear shoes that can be sanitized, i.e. No fabric that absorbs moisture)

    1. Clean hands
    2. Apply first set gloves
    3. Sit in clean chair and apply shoe covers
    4. Put on gown and make sure gloves are under sleeves
    5. Put on N95 respirator
    6. Put on hood and cover hair and ears
    7. Put on second set gloves and pull extended cuffs over sleeves
    8. Put on face shield
    9. Let buddy inspect you to make sure all surfaces covered
    11. Make sure you can move freely in gown
    12. Clean hands

    Note: I’d have to do all of this JUST to take the pt’s temperature

    Removal (“Doffing”) 22 Steps (need TWO chairs)

    1. Clean outer gloves
    2. Sit in clean chair and remove shoe covers
    3. Clean gloves
    4. Remove outer gloves
    5. Inspect inner gloves for rips, tears, contamination
    6. Clean gloves
    7. Remove face shield
    8. Clean gloves
    9. Tilt head forward and remove hood
    10. Clean gloves
    11. Remove gown from body by only touching inside
    12. Clean gloves
    13. Remove gloves
    14. Clean hands
    15. Put on new gloves
    16. Remove N95 respirator
    17. Clean gloves
    18. Sit in second clean chair and use wipes to clean shoes
    19. Clean gloves
    20. Remove gloves
    21. Clean hands
    22. Final inspection with buddy to make sure there are no signs of contamination
    Dispose of everything in biohazard bag.

    Now, if you have to go through all of that “drama” to TRY to avoid contracting Ebola, is it REALLY “unfair” to expect anyone desiring the auspices and sanctuary of your country to undergo subastantive screening to make sure they aren’t bringing anything harmful, or AT LEAST to protect your own people from potential harm by providing care and safety measures to minimize negative impacts on the rest of society.

    This is also a GOOD TIME to put in a “Public Service Announcement” on the importance of hand washing. It’s the most important thing you can do to help prevent the spread of infection. It’s also important to know that alcohol and over hand sanitizers don’t kill ALL infectious organisms. SOME organisms, like CDiff (which you DO NOT WANT) can only be removed by washing your hands with soap and water. And, they are VERY CONTAGIOUS. CDiff. can cause you to have SEVERE diarrhea (and other problems), and you can die from it. I’ve had a patient die from it before. Anyway, that’s not why I came to post this message.

    It’s important to be both “kind” AND “smart”. This is YOUR country–IF, you don’t “give it away”.

      • Oh God, the patient had TB.

        IIRC a housing project in Chicago had an outbreak of a TB superbug a few years ago. Just another reason to avoid living areas where there is an abundance of people who don’t eat well and live in unhygienic conditions.

        For the record, I wash my hands as soon as I enter my house.

        chic monica noir

        • Yes.

          We were recently informed that there have been an increase in cases locally, and they are related to some of the international populations that have been moving here in recent years. So, we have to be extra vigilant in our screening of patients.

          Working in healthcare, I am SOOO much more cognizant of transmission of agents. I used to Lysol my shoes after every work shift. I keep them in a designated area by the doorway. But, I still want to come up with a plan to keep them out of the house altogether (without having them stolen–lol). Maybe I’ll just store them.in a grocery bag in my car. But, I always try to avoid wearing my regular shoes into the hospital, if I can help it.

          It always makes me *CRINGE* when I see people letting their children wallow and play on the floor. And, they leave them there, even when you tell them they shouldn’t. And, of course the kids are touching the floor and putting their hands in their mouths…

          For Those who have a practice of setting their purse on the floor, we are taught that the floor is THE MOST CONTAMINATED part of the hospital. Just an “FYI”.

          And, people refusing immunizations for themselves and their children is causing public health problems as well.

          I’m glad you have good hand hygiene practices. There is a lotion one of my clinical instructors told me about. It’s Gold Bond Hand-Sanitizing lotion. I used to find it in the stores, but now I can only find it on Amazon. It works well and keeps your hands nicely moisturized. That alcohol cleanser is HARSH on my skin, so I need something to replenish it. At work, we can only use approved moisturizers. One is called Avaguard. I’m thinking of buying that one too. I can’t remember exactly what they said, but I think petroleum -based moisturizers interfere with the action of chlorhexidine or something. So, I guess Avaguard is probably better for the hospital, and Gold Bond is better for home.

        • I also guess good old fashioned soap and water is best for home, most of the time. Overuse of antimicrobials is problematic as well. I switched to regular hand cleanser rather than antimicrobial, after hearing that.

          Sigh. So many factors to balance and keep in mind.

  49. I thought I’d post a vid from my he CDC on proper hand washing technique. It may sound “wired”, but we actually receive training on how to properly wash our hands. Now, we don’t turn off the water while washing, and we dry our hands with a paper towel, then use the towel to turn off the faucet. But, this vid shows you the length of time and technique that helps remove and prevent the spread of infectious organisms:

    https://www.cdc.gov/cdctv/healthyliving/hygiene/fight-germs-wash-hands.html

    • Karen,

      One thing my heart NEVER wants to see is AAs being slaves again.

      That mentioned, there are TWO (actually three) things I NEVER want to see:

      1. Another Holocaust
      2. Muslims trying to force their religion on the world via conquest.
      3. Another World War

      UNFORTUNATELY, I believe 3 is on the way, PRIMARILY due to conflicts between the Western and nonWestern. That’s why I think it’s time for people to go/live where there is AUTHENTIC compatibility. It’s OBVIOUS some elements will never reach any SUSTAINABLE “TRUCE”.

  50. Formavitae,

    There was a post by Khadija at our Sojournerspassport blog from 2010 that covers that territory (the comment section provided many useful tips – and that was 7 years ago).

    AAs may never be slaves again but all too many of us have become (and will remain) sharecroppers:

    http://sojournerspassport.com/full-circle—back-to-sharecropping/

    With the internet, there is really very few excuses for people not to take action, find like-minded others and build a better life.

    For AA BW from another era (say born in the 60’s and earlier), they DID NOT HAVE the benefit of knowing what others were experiencing, comparing notes and finding such information; yet despite that are the founding mothers of BWE that as enabled younger women to benefit.

    As with all successful endeavours, these same younger women have selective memories on whose foundation they are standing upon to be so dismissive of them today . Yes, I have observed many younger bloggers/commenters act as if their current positions were suddenly new or their “new-found voices” were always present but having observed this for almost 10 years, I know that it was literally “crickets” in the early days of BWE, most of them said nothing or were still appeasing the ego of BMs.

    I do hope that AAs do not end up as slaves but based on Black male behaviour in the U.S. and across the diaspora, the odds are not in favor as Black males refuse to build anything of their own to pass on to future generations (must rely solely on WM’s infrastructure to provide for every need).

    They have demonstrated that on the whole, they are a selfish lot and will not protect, provide or problem solve for the benefit of their women and children which is why the AA collective is on the fast track to permanent underclass (also a topic discussed many years ago at Muslimbushido and Sojournerspassport)

    The foster care system is a perfect example and I see no AAs as a group doing anything to take in these unwanted children.at.all. We do not do well in taking care of our children we do keep;especially our girls.

    • Karen,

      I think you mistake my comment(s) about “not wanting to see AAs as slaves again” as meaning that I haven’t gotten the point that we’re “TOO FAR GONE” in terms of being able to “save” the ENTIRE GROUP. I don’t think that way at all, and I’ve read/participated in discussions over the years (including the article you mentioned). I AGREE with that conclusion. Nevertheless, I still express such feelings. I remember participating in a discussion basically about “letting it go” (the loss of our community), and I commented that while I AM able to “move on”, I don’t know if I ever will stop grieving over the fate of AAs. It’s TRULY SAD, because we are a “beautiful” people with LOTS of potential.

      I think that, OVERALL, there is a “BIG DIVIDE” between older and younger AAs (regardless of the number of years), because our socialization, acculturation, and upbringing are DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT. I “FEEL” it, and I SEE it. There is a STARK CONTRAST in communication styles and manner of interactions.

      I don’t know how “aware” some younger AAs are of the original BWE writers, but I can see how the work of various writers (Khadijah, Evia, Faith, Halima, and some others whose names I do not know) provided a way for AA women and girls to address their LEGITIMATE CONCERNS, receive validation of their feelings, and establish support networks for each other. That’s HIGHLY VALUABLE and something I TRULY APPRECIATE. I was THRILLED to find AA women who shared my view of our issues, concerns, needs, and (so-called) “community”. These writers provided a CRITICAL NEED for our unique group and are deserving of the HIGHEST THANKS.

      I know AA families who have adopted and /or fostered multiple AA children and gave them GREAT LOVE. I ALSO REALIZE that “demand exceeds supply”. I just wish our ancestors sacrifices and dreams had a more promising “outlook/trajectory”, for the future.

  51. Karen,

    Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU.

    You’ve perfectly articulated some things that I’ve felt for awhile, but just didn’t say. I expect my recent blog post will be my last. I took time to review the many comment in this thread, and doing so confirmed something that I’ve felt for some time: It’s time to tighten our circles of care and concern.

    I won’t be giving out any more indiscriminate information or assistance to the public. I don’t want to do anything at all that might in any way help women like some of these commenters here. I especially don’t want to do anything that might assist the ultra-hateful commenters like the Black Goddess above. This includes the self-described Christian BW commenters in this thread who share her professed Christian beliefs but failed to say anything to counter or correct her ultra-hateful speech. Over the years, I’ve had a handful of Muslim readers say some “off” things at my blogs. Unlike the self-described Christian BW who passively sit around watching their coreligionists engage in hate speech, I always checked, countered and corrected those Muslims who tried to engage in inappropriate behavior in whatever online discussions I’ve participated in.

    Note to readers: if somebody won’t bother to speak out to correct hateful speech from their co-believers, be assured that they ALSO won’t correct hateful *ACTIONS* from the same people—which is exactly how you end up with an ISIS or Holocaust-type situation. Evil grows when it’s unopposed. And you’re just as evil as whatever evil you allow to go on unopposed in your presence.

    Ladies, tighten your circles of care and concern. DON’T help people who will passively sit around and watch you and your loved ones be harmed. This applies to a lot of different potential scenarios. Look at their behaviors right now. Past and current behavior is the best indicator of future behavior.

    • For the record I do not support the religious sentiments such as those espoused by black goddess. I read this blog on my phone, with one hand at night so commenting takes special effort when I have kid free time to use a desk top. She sounded pretty silly and other commenters rebuked her so I doubt anyone in this particular crowd took her that seriously. I do not consider our AA muslim (even though some of them want to be in the back of the camel, no more destructive than christian dbr behavior though) population in the same way that I consider bad guest muslim immigrants. I would not support rounding our fellow citizens up on a religious basis, especially not Khadija. You don’t have to be Christian to have values that are compatible with the classical liberal (NOT neoliberal) values that undergird western civilization. Having said that, I voted for Trump to stop globalism which puts all the rest of things that I care about at risk. Rejecting neoliberalism/globalism is the reason why most Trump voters voted as they did. I am also not at all concerned that Trump will start rounding up otherwise law abiding muslim citizens and deporting them. I knew that there would be some sacrifice involved with a Trump presidency (Pence, the education secretary, etc) but pogroms are not one of them. I have accepted that I cannot convince people who are convinced that Trump is a fascist or Hitler that he is not. Only the lack of pogroms will actually assuage their concerns.

      • Zoopath,

        I feel THE SAME WAY.

        I ALSO knew voting for Trump would entail some sacrifices. But, my priority at this time is having and preserving a country. We can work on the problems. Let’s just PROTECT and SUSTAIN IT. Once “it’s gone”, IT’S GONE.

        I ALSO never got the impression Trump would carry out any “Hitler-esque” attacks on Muslims or any other group. I WOULD NEVER support that. And, I WOULD NEVER SUSPECT that anyone else commenting on this post would EITHER. I KNOW he wants to stop ISIS. And, I know he wants to take a hard core stance towards illegal immigration, protecting our borders, and maintaining our SOVEREIGNTY as a nation. But, terrorism IS REAL. And, it’s something we have/need to factors into our lives and considerations. And, it seems that, AROUND THE WORLD, people are pressing for “national sovereignty”. The spirit is “PALPABLE”.

        And, while some people look at current events and think of Hitler, I think of North and Northeast Africa and what happened to the blacks/countrymen there. That’s not “a joke” EITHER.

        These days, when I hear of the group’s “pressing” for admission to the U.S. And access to it’s borders and benefits, I think of how they treat black people (or their AA equivalents) in their country, and what are their country’s laws and regulations regarding immigration, citizenship, and resource access. I know a woman with a Mexican grandfather who’s dream was relocate and live in Mexico. She tried and tried FOR YEARS, but kept getting rejected. I don’t know if she’s still trying. If Mexico can say “No,” WE CAN TOO.

        I believe Americans are trying one last effort to save their country. We are on a “precipice”, and globalization was just working to “push us over the edge”. It seems many on the Left are willing to do anything to maintain their power and influence–EVEN if it means another Civil War. I remember articles about the pressure for electors to become “faithless”, and the comments included people who said that if they want a Civil War, they can get one. I was anxious about the fate of our country until those votes were finally cast. But, there still is GREAT TENSION in the country and between citizens.

        At the end of the day, I hope these tensions can be resolved before a MAJOR CATASTROPHE occurs. The world feels like it’s about “to rupture”. I HOPE AND PRAY NOT.

    • Dear Khadija,

      I am VERY THANKFUL for all that you have done and hope that I have shown through the years via my actions that I defended and supported the original BWE message –> not the watered down version, as all too many have shown they are mentally lazy and unwilling to do the research which can be as simple as googling for the essays of the BWE mothers that have been more than gracious to keep their pages up at their own personal cost. I have seen very few acknowledge this gift or offer to compensate.

      It seems that these days there is a real nastiness towards those that came before and a real expectation that these same women from previous generations are supposed to allow themselves to be drained dry.

      You have given more in your writings ”free of charge” than many could ever have obtained if they had to pay for it. It is of course your choice if you continue to post comments now and then, but from my perspective;it has all been said.

      This is the LAST ROTATION on many things with regards to the AA collective. We do not appreciate things that are given freely (we take it for granted and treat it as a sign of weakness) and it is even less-valued when it comes from an AA BW.

      Your writings are a treasure but frankly, I would not blame you one bit if you were to remove all of it; as what I have seen only further confirms that all too many are simply unworthy.

      I am done with online commenting (having already reduced my online presence over the years) and will now focus solely on sharing my knowledge and experience with the ladies that I care about, who have proven their worth in real life to help them not only survive but thrive in this new era.

      I wish you the very best in life!

      -Karen

      • Karen,

        You’re welcome and thank you for your heartfelt support. I think what has annoyed me the most about some of the viewpoints expressed in this comment thread is that some of these Black women sound like they actually believe that they’re as physically safe as White people are in terms of general hate crimes and potential pogroms. [??!!??] It’s somewhat like the Dave Chappelle routine I’ve heard about concerning a blind Black Klansman who apparently thought he was White.

        Some of the commenters are talking as if the only (or primary) reason why I would feel alarmed by Trumpism is because I’m Muslim. They’re complacently talking as if *they* are safe. [??!!??] That kind of complacency reminds me of a BW I once mentioned in a blog post:

        —-“Glenda Moore (and her White husband) apparently didn’t recognize there was a problem with moving into a neighborhood filled with a high percentage of racists. She didn’t recognize this as a problem that could affect her—and her small, half-Black sons—until after these same racist neighbors ignored her cries for help during Hurricane Sandy. Her sons drowned.”—-

        Some of these BW are speaking as if they believe that being well-behaved and well-mannered will ensure the safety of visibly Black people during reactionary times in the U.S. [??!!??]

        Maybe these folks didn’t live through the wave of Black church burnings in the 1990s. Maybe they didn’t catch the hint dropped by the 2015 Charleston church massacre. Maybe they don’t understand that “public” everything is on the chopping block and is being positioned to be among the top scapegoats.

        {rhetorical questions} Which race of persons in the U.S. is most associated with “public” stuff and is most associated with the worst abuses/ravages of “public” stuff? Which race of women in the U.S. has been characterized—for decades—as “welfare queens”?

        Leaving aside the rhetorical questions above, it’s like some of these BW don’t understand that racially BLACK faces are the public face of various demographics that Heartland America wants to see punished and wants to see SUFFER.

        For the moment, the haters among Heartland America and the current regime are focused on other categories of targets (such as foreign Muslims and Mexican illegal aliens). But it’s not wise for any African-American Black person to develop amnesia about the fact that AA Blacks have always been uniquely positioned in this country as America’s #1 scapegoat. I learned something quite interesting while recently reading about U.S. military history:

        By the time of WWII, everybody ELSE except Black men and specifically Japanese-Americans (who were classified as alien enemies during WWII) were allowed to serve in integrated units. Meaning that other categories of minority men such as Navajo code talkers, Chinese-Americans, and Mexican-heritage men were allowed to serve in integrated units with White folks. According to Wikipedia, “Asian-Americans fought in integrated units during World War I, and non-citizens were offered citizenship after the war as a result of their service.”

        Let that sink in for a moment. If Japan wasn’t part of the Axis, Japanese-American men would’ve been serving in integrated units just like Chinese-American men during WWII.

        Like I said, at the moment, other categories of persons (foreign Muslims and Mexican illegal aliens) are currently at the top of White America’s hate list. White America’s rage is currently focused on these other groups. May it stay that way. Nevertheless, AA Blacks have never been completely off that hate list. And it has never taken much to move AA Blacks into the center of the bullseye. It’s something to keep in mind for those AA Blacks who can’t pass for White or some other type of nonblack.

        Karen, I also wish you all the very best in life! 🙂

        • The same swing voters that put Obama in office are the same people who put Trump into office. They didn’t turn anymore virulently anti black racist in 8 years. Imho, the correct Dave chapelle skit that applies to this situation is not Clayton bixby but black bush. Because that’s essentially what we had with Obama. He tried to run the same con game that bush did and since he’s black it was much more noticeable (except for aa’s). Yes there was a very predictable anti black racist backlash and as usual aa’s caught hell without getting anything in return. However, Trump’s victory was not a byproduct of this racist backlash. It was instead a response to Obama’s bait and switch. The nation less global elite got greedy, called the bluff of the middle class with entirely predictable results. I live amongst my fellow deplorables in a solidly red state and there’s no more stars and bars flying around than before the election.

    • Dear Khadija,

      Just one of your posts was enough of a gift to all of us. Muslim Bushido and Evia’s Blog took me from the road of being a Church Mammy to being a free individual. I could not begin to repay the gift that you have given me and other BW through both of your blogs and with the Sojourner’s Passport. A sincere thank you for all that you have done for BW. May you live long and proper. KIT, please.

    • Khadija,

      I had to go back and re-read comments from the dark goddess. After reviewing them, I remembered the exchange. To me, she sounded like someone who was on “the defensive” because she knows AAs typically dislike/”attack” AAs who vote Republican. That’s why I told her I didn’t want her “to apologize for anything”. After that I moved on to other conversations. Political discussions get “heated” sometimes, ESPECIALLY if people feel they may be/are “attacked”. That’s why I ALSO said in another comment that some(times) people shouldn’t discuss politics. The disagreements and tensions ARE REAL, and some relationships/people can’t handle it.

    • Khadija,

      I want to SINCERELY THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING you’ve done over the years. If I have ever made you feel “slighted” or “wronged”, I apologize. You and your work have been A TREASURE for AA women and girls.

  52. I’ve occasionally visited this thread since I tend to be very busy at this point of my life and I don’t comment much publicly at all. However, since I now have some downtime, I’m going to share a quick thought.

    Like Khadija and others have said, only a very select few BW will make it out of the coming underclass trapped in the peace walls. I’m a Christian and frankly, the vast majority of the church is going to end up behind the walls too by the time that this regime is done. In regimes like this, any and everything that doesn’t worship the ruler is on the chopping blocks. So far, they are hitting Muslims first and using that to prime everyone else into ignoring what is next. Anyone who cosigns and abets what has been said is just as evil. The Bible has the Great Commission in Matthew 28 but that commission says to spread the Gospel, not use the Gospel to excuse discrimination and help others prepare future killings and imprisoning of those who don’t believe.

    And as a Christian, I remind all of the Christians of John 15, especially when he says that we are not of this world. “If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. ” (John 15:19) When the Nazis’ came to power, they chose the Jews as their first victim. They ended up killing believers that put Christ above this world. With this regime, despite how they claim to believe in God, they will turn their eyes on Christians and they will do to Christians what they are planning to do to Muslims now if people don’t speak out.

    I sincerely doubt that I will be commenting publicly on the internet on anything BWE related anymore myself. Time is running out and it’s time to do for self. I wish everyone good luck on their preparations for the almost here storm.

    • KM,

      I haven’t read anything that suggests people on this post support mass imprisonment/slaughter of Muslims, any non believers, or anyone else. I said that I am willing to accept a “knucklehead crackdown” because I am TIRED of the destruction that results from the levels of crime seen in predominantly AA communities. Chicago has already had more than 365 shootings this year, since January first. And, that’s just ONE CITY.

      And, Christians/Christian ideology is already under attack in this country. And, Christians are already being killed around the world. I DO REALIZE Christians aren’t the only ones suffering.

      The reality is that there are competing/clashing forces in the world. And, countries/groups are “at odds” with each other. That’s why I think it’s important to keep “explosive elements” APART.

      I HOPE ALL GOES WELL FOR YOU.

  53. Well, I previously said I had “one final thought” I wanted to share with AA women and girls. I’ve shared my views and perspectives in a variety of permutations. I had already privately decided that I was going to become a “listener” after this blog post.

    I hope that I have shared something beneficial, over the course of time. That was my goal. I’ve met some WONDERFUL PEOPLE and engaged in STIMULATING interactions.

    REGARDLESS of how you voted, we are entering “TRYING TIMES”. IT’S EVIDENT. I hope things go “better than expected”. I would also would like this period of “trepidation ” to pass SOON.

    I want AA women and girls to actualize HAPPY AND SUCCESSFUL LIVES for themselves. And, I want the U.S. To find a way out of the DECLINE we’ve been in for SO LONG. It may be “wishful thinking”, but I’m hoping nonetheless.

    I DESIRE THE BEST FOR *ALL* OF YOU.

    I TRULY DO.

    Thanks for letting me share, OLS. I TRULY APPRECIATE it.

    • GOOD vid. Thank you for sharing, SB!

      One thought I have about globalization is that they’re taking your foundation for prosperity away and giving you “pennies” in exchange.

      I AGREE with her assessment of who values “Empire” vs. (our) nation. That was another MAJOR FACTOR that influenced my vote. And, I’m hoping to see a brighter future.

  54. I meant to present this as a separate post but accidentally posted it as a reply. You don’t have to agree with the analysis or conclusions, but I think it’s a worthwhile alternative perspective to consider.

    I don’t know if any of you watched the video SB posted, but I highly encourage you too. In it, she refers to an article she wrote,
    “The US Presidential Election: The Productivity Backlash “. I think everyone should ABSOLUTELY READ IT. She’s touching on some very important issues and changes in our society and world. WE ALL need to consider. She also posts hyperlinks throughout, to various other postings.

    She has a series on “The Emerging Multipolar World”, in which she interviews someone known as “The Saker”. He is a Russian who has EXTENSIVE knowledge of and experience within the U.S. and Russia. It’s QUITE ENLIGHTENING to listen to his perspective. The series consists of four posts (interviews). I read the first interview in pdf form. I listened to the second and started listening to the third in mp3. Theses interviews ARE EXCELLENT! I encourage you to AT LEAST TRY to read/listen to one. If you don’t find it interesting or beneficial, THAT’S FINE. But, I think you will find it engaging and you will desire to hear/learn more (as I do).

    This connects to my advice to “understand Capitalists”. These two people’s experiences expand both capital and politics/military. So, it’s good to see how they look at the dynamics going on in the world, how they view the U.S., etc. It’s important to know how people of influence understand and discuss a situation or topic. It gives you a clue about what YOU need to be thinking about or preparing for. Something I found interesting is that The Saker said politicians in the U.S. think short term, but in his society (Russia) they think in terms of 1000-year increments. ONE THOUSAND YEARS! THESE people are planning to be here “FOR THE LONG HAUL”. Consider the potential implications of that.

    Anyway, you need to “investigate” for yourself. I have included links below to the articles:

    The US Presidential Election: The Productivity Backlash
    https://solari.com/blog/the-us-presidential-election-the-productivity-backlash/

    Russia and Global Geopolitics with the Saker
    https://solari.com/blog/russia-and-global-geopolitics-with-the-saker/

    The Saker: A Unipolar vs. Multipolar World
    https://solari.com/blog/the-saker-a-uni-polar-vs-multi-polar-world/

    The Emerging Multipolar World with Saker: Russia, Ukraine & the Risks of War
    https://solari.com/blog/the-emerging-multipolar-world-with-the-saker-russia-ukraine-the-risks-of-war/

    The Emerging Multipolar World with Saker: Russia, Syria & Recommendations for a Trump Presidency
    https://solari.com/blog/multipolar-world-with-the-saker/

    These posts are VERY SOBERING. I encourage you to learn the fundamentals for survival so that you can fare “well” no matter WHO is in power.

    I don’t want us going to war WITH ANYBODY. I want us to FOCUS ON “HOME”. Am, I’M CERTAINLY not interested in any MASS DESTRUCTION.

    THANK you, SB, for sharing this resource with us.

    • Yes the elites are exploring UBI (universal basic income) as a prophylactic against the threat of popular unrest, as they expect AI to take over more blue collar and increasingly white collar jobs in the future. They don’t want to have to deal with a hundred million jobless, angry and desperate people.
      It’s currently being trialled in Finland for Europe and in one region of Canada for North America. Trials are planned for Scotland in the UK as well.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/03/finland-trials-basic-income-for-unemployed

      As for Elon Musk and his fevered visions of a human/machine merge, well he is well known believer in the futurist philosophy of ‘Technological Singularity’ popularised by Ray Kurzweil author of the 2005 book “The singularity is near”.

      It’s based on a belief in the inevitability of humans evolving into machines. In my opinion this is very much a religion, in that although it’s orginal basis is in science, it’s doctrine is absolutely based on faith, not in a God or gods but in machines and in ‘human progress’.
      They believe machines will eventually allow them to cheat death, become immortal, eventually transcending humanity and become like gods. It sounds pretty much like the futurist version of The Rapture to me.

      http://www.naturalnews.com/040925_transhumanism_Ray_Kurzweil_cult.html

      Apparently some Mormons are really into transhumanism:
      http://www.kurzweilai.net/man-will-become-like-god-say-mormons-and-transhumanists-in-salt-lake-city

  55. I’m posting this link because it is an INVALUABLE RESOURCE in helping you stay connected with what’s going on in national government. It’s the website link for Congress. You can find information related to activities, meetings, bills, treaties, the federal budget, who your state representatives are, how different people voted on issues, transcripts of testimony, videos on how a bill becomes law, and MUCH MORE. It is GOOD to know how to stay engaged and aware. You can also find contact information for your representatives.

    https://www.congress.gov

    • Thanks for the reminder, Formavitae! I usually watch CSPAN, but it is nice to use the Congress site and see the “paperwork” side by side with the video. CSPAN also shows British government proceedings at times, which is interesting to see.

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